tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post5465811300635212011..comments2024-03-10T10:40:32.319-07:00Comments on Pyromaniacs: Janet Mefferd: The Alternate EndingPhil Johnsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00649092052031518426noreply@blogger.comBlogger61125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-24723317285505103052013-12-09T09:07:51.774-08:002013-12-09T09:07:51.774-08:00http://web.archive.org/web/20131203032816/http://w...http://web.archive.org/web/20131203032816/http://www.janetmefferd.com/wp-content/uploads/MATERIAL-SCREENSHOTS-HERE.pdfdonsandshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03665794015011057098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-37341904151026887242013-12-07T19:08:38.210-08:002013-12-07T19:08:38.210-08:00Thanks, threegirldad. Got it now.Thanks, threegirldad. Got it now.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-32863716193329535282013-12-07T16:44:59.818-08:002013-12-07T16:44:59.818-08:00http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/201...http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2013/11/29/flunking-mark-driscoll-for-plagiarism/donsandshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03665794015011057098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-25468877479661818552013-12-06T20:38:05.141-08:002013-12-06T20:38:05.141-08:00Pilgrimsarbour,
See here, beginning at the 5:28 m...<b>Pilgrimsarbour</b>,<br /><br /><a href="http://www.janetmefferdpremium.com/2013/12/04/janet-mefferd-radio-show-20131204-hr-2/" rel="nofollow">See here</a>, beginning at the 5:28 mark (and <a href="http://www.patheos.com/blogs/warrenthrockmorton/2013/12/04/janet-mefferd-removes-evidence-relating-to-charges-of-plagiarism-against-mark-driscoll-apologizes-to-audience/" rel="nofollow">here</a> for a transcript of the audio).threegirldadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10514416693800430357noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-66167541698856223372013-12-06T15:26:35.478-08:002013-12-06T15:26:35.478-08:00"Right is right though all condemn, and wrong..."Right is right though all condemn, and wrong is wrong though all condone." CHSPyroManiacs Staffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18227917291061235605noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-91175433668249440712013-12-06T15:15:50.722-08:002013-12-06T15:15:50.722-08:00I'll see if I can find it.I'll see if I can find it.FX Turkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16798420127955373559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-32002747186013270012013-12-05T19:12:26.016-08:002013-12-05T19:12:26.016-08:00Frank, can you put in a link to the part of her sh...Frank, can you put in a link to the part of her show where she apologizes? I have been unable to find it. Thanks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-66606348197170168762013-12-05T07:03:33.915-08:002013-12-05T07:03:33.915-08:00You guys forget: I have nothing to lose, and I am ...You guys forget: I have nothing to lose, and I am already a menace who must be stopped.<br /><br />FX Turkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16798420127955373559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-82834334931839955452013-12-04T20:16:26.430-08:002013-12-04T20:16:26.430-08:00Hour 2 of 11.21.2013 has been removed from the web...Hour 2 of 11.21.2013 has been removed from the website.Pilgrimsarbourhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18046918223325823689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-87051432834798391192013-12-04T20:13:47.599-08:002013-12-04T20:13:47.599-08:00Hmmm. Anybody want to hazard a guess as to why I c...Hmmm. Anybody want to hazard a guess as to why I can't find any of the audio on the Mark Driscoll affair at the Mefferd show website?Pilgrimsarbourhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18046918223325823689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-25084127361749840182013-12-04T12:01:00.785-08:002013-12-04T12:01:00.785-08:00Be patient. These things take time.Be patient. These things take time.threegirldadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10514416693800430357noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-63826289174575877192013-12-04T11:56:24.307-08:002013-12-04T11:56:24.307-08:00...just checking to see if this post is still here......just checking to see if this post is still here...Tom Chantryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02485908616177111150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-48686528438744713542013-12-04T09:18:11.132-08:002013-12-04T09:18:11.132-08:00And ...
... As I post this at 11:17 AM on 4 Dec 2...And ...<br /><br />... As I post this at 11:17 AM on 4 Dec 2013, Janet Mefferd's blog is blank.<br /><br />Stay tuned.FX Turkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16798420127955373559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-32010238886818136672013-12-02T09:11:04.758-08:002013-12-02T09:11:04.758-08:00As someone who actually was a career broadcaster, ...As someone who actually was a career broadcaster, journalist and radio news director (and one time talk show host), I think Frank is spot on about the dearth of real journalism today. And honestly, if the desire of genuine journalism (not to mention that of logic and formal reasoning) is to follow the truth wherever it leads, I don't think there is (or should be) a distinction between "Christian" and "secular" journalism - with the proviso that we are talking about the same foundational rules that all journalists are supposed to follow. If anything, Christian journalists ought to have an even higher regard for truth than any other. If you publish a book, you'd best be able to back up your assertions in the book. If you agree to go on a talk show to discuss your book, be prepared to be challenged. If you choose programs that function only as electronic puff pieces, I suppose you can expect an easy ride. But if you are going on a program where issues are discussed, truth claims are made and tested, and facts are checked, you'd better be ready. And don't be upset with the host/anchor/journalist if they uncover something in your material that, as Nixon once famously said, "falsified the truth." <br /><br />Sometimes I miss doing radio very badly. Other days, I am glad I am out of it. In the meantime, I go by Luke 12:<br /><br /> “But there is nothing covered up that will not be revealed, and hidden that will not be known. Accordingly, whatever you have said in the dark will be heard in the light, and what you have whispered in the inner rooms will be proclaimed upon the housetops."<br /><br /> Solameaniehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09869424956571944997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-88936928882561546582013-11-28T20:21:57.111-08:002013-11-28T20:21:57.111-08:00threegirldad:
I will investigate your suggestion ...threegirldad:<br /><br />I will investigate your suggestion sir; now being that two writers could differ in good faith regarding "than" or "from" which, by why of disclosure is a distinction I hunt out obsessively in my reading;<br /><br />Is not Mr. Driscoll suggesting something similar; Ie that he wrote in good faith, and he's Mark Driscoll and one man's plagiarism is another man's "incomplete bibliography" for which he might be marked down from A- to B -- but SURELY NOT academically disciplined and dismissed?<br /><br />Since there is no real ambiguity in the from/than distinction and it is a usage preference, obviously Mr. Turk does not need the egregious punishments outlined above. On the other hand, he has raised his hand against one of the LORD'S choice servants and prophets -- For THAT, for joining with women and bloggers of low rank he he surely deserves a few minutes in the cage with Pastor Mark. And Pastor Mark has laid it out in at. least one message how that whole thing proceeds. Poor student gets in the cage and whack! quickly, ferociously finally, he is smacked painfully down-- a reminder of how inferior he is to the instructor and let nobody forget it.leadsoldierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12684975645312439707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-75391224380507108432013-11-28T15:11:07.603-08:002013-11-28T15:11:07.603-08:00Plagiarism is a petty issue? That will certain com...Plagiarism is a petty issue? That will certain comes as news to <a href="http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/justintaylor/?s=plagiarism" rel="nofollow">Justin Taylor</a>.threegirldadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10514416693800430357noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-23818294829412899592013-11-28T15:05:13.821-08:002013-11-28T15:05:13.821-08:00leadsoldier:
However, before I get carried away,I ...<b>leadsoldier</b>:<br /><i>However, before I get carried away,I have to point out that you used "different than" instead of "different from", the correct form...</i><br /><br />Since Frank is American, not British, I'm afraid it's <a href="http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/words/different-from-than-or-to" rel="nofollow">back to grammar class</a> for you.threegirldadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10514416693800430357noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-80098377207736886062013-11-28T06:20:00.316-08:002013-11-28T06:20:00.316-08:00I was sharing how Mark "could be" a plag...I was sharing how Mark "could be" a plagiarist on my FB, and a friend of mine remarked this way:<br /><br />"If you don't know something for sure are you not just spreading gossip? Seems like I remember scripture saying that if an accusation was being made against a pastor or elder that it should be done in an appropriate fashion with 2 or more witnesses. Not sure your post qualifies."<br /><br />Any thoughts?<br />donsandshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03665794015011057098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-33629931827499977522013-11-27T16:06:57.414-08:002013-11-27T16:06:57.414-08:00Mr.Turk;
Thanks for letting my remarks stand. I a...Mr.Turk;<br /><br />Thanks for letting my remarks stand. I apologize because clearly I have caused offense to some extent. Please forgive me. I am grateful for what you have written, clearly a lot of work; I don't read Driscoll's books or listen to his sermons (any more) just on principle.<br /><br />My comments were intended as pure satire<br /><br />In your reply you wrote<br /><br />" It's unethical at best to plagiarize; it is actually a violation of the law in some cases, which ought to be the point rather than whatever it is you're trying to say."<br /><br />The "Turk" was the guy who if he showed up you knew you were cut from the team. No fun for the player, and surely not for the man assigned the task -- usually I gather an equipment guy or something like that. It's very clear from your comments and those of Mr. Chantry, where you stand on the whole Driscoll phenomenon and I could not be more grateful that you are going to the wall on this one -- and just the same with the Strange Fire conference. <br /><br />"Different than": just a hook really, to hang a little devil's advocate for Mr. Driscoll and his enablers. Poisoning the well with respect to "bloggers" is the same approach his good buddy from Chicago took following Elephant Room -- these amateurs have no right, no qualification to critique us professionally trained, professional experts who are revered wherever we go.<br /><br />What I wanted to do was make a nasty satire, or sarcasm, or irony... whichever term is appropriate...on Driscoll's position. <br /><br />And I meant "Salon", not "Slate".<br /><br />Thanks again for your great work. I am sorry for the unwise unwise and careless construction of my comments and for any offense to you and to your colleagues.<br /><br /><br /><br />leadsoldierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12684975645312439707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-46524230808501806362013-11-27T14:09:11.876-08:002013-11-27T14:09:11.876-08:00Dan Sutton:
What bothers me about your glib asses...Dan Sutton:<br /><br />What bothers me about your glib assessment is that you seem to think that attribution is some kind of esoteric thing.<br /><br />Consider <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_plagiarism_incidents#Journalism" rel="nofollow">this list of professionals who did it</a> and please re-assess your opinion based on facts rather than your current information pool.FX Turkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16798420127955373559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-52879241141892484912013-11-27T14:07:16.682-08:002013-11-27T14:07:16.682-08:00Dan Sutton,
1) Plagiarism is not petty stuff.
2)...Dan Sutton,<br /><br />1) Plagiarism is not petty stuff.<br /><br />2) She did interview him about the book (despite your assertion), just not in a puff-piece way that he would have preferred.<br /><br />3) He referenced the author, but made no attempt to credit him - there is a decided difference.<br /><br />4) Proper crediting and attribution is not only meant for "scholarly treatises".Erichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16345630463450652762noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-53740651907307425212013-11-27T14:05:14.772-08:002013-11-27T14:05:14.772-08:00LeadSoldier --
If you live in the 18th century, m...LeadSoldier --<br /><br />If you live in the 18th century, maybe. "different than" is actually acceptable when what follows is an elliptical clause. My spelling of 10,000 times worse than my grammar, so if you want to ban me for language issues, please strike where the iron is hot.<br /><br />That said, my spelling is atrocious, but not criminal. It's unethical at best to plagiarize; it is actually a violation of the law in some cases, which ought to be the point rather than whatever it is you're trying to say.FX Turkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16798420127955373559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-6460478466657584632013-11-27T12:17:28.431-08:002013-11-27T12:17:28.431-08:00www.TurnItIn.com or en.writecheck.com
This websit...www.TurnItIn.com or en.writecheck.com<br /><br />This website is required for all of my grad school papers and projects. Kind of ironic (tragic, actually) that secular schools have a higher standard of ethics than Christian publishers. <br /><br />How about we post a public call for Tyndale to run Mark's book through on one of these websites and publicly share the report generated from these websites?<br /><br />The reports are brutally detailed.APMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09981769512480371230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-86163834617145723552013-11-27T12:06:12.249-08:002013-11-27T12:06:12.249-08:00How could we have ever seen this coming??????
The...<i><b>How could we have ever seen this coming??????</b></i><br /><br />The bigger question is how Pastor I See Visions didn't see it coming. <br /><br />(If someone else made this crack upstream I apologize and footnote them. I also footnote the guy at SharperIron from whom I outright stole it.)d4v34xhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07346680257860879900noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-38913736525934529432013-11-27T08:11:05.280-08:002013-11-27T08:11:05.280-08:00Dear Mr. Turk;
I'm old enough to remember pro...Dear Mr. Turk;<br /><br />I'm old enough to remember pro football players referring to 'the Turk'; the man (or was it a ghostly avatar) knocking on the training camp dorm bedroom door before breakfast: "Smith! Coach wants to see you; bring your playbook").<br /><br />"Driscoll! Carson and some friends want to see you. Bring your books!"<br /><br />However, before I get carried away,I have to point out that you used "different than" instead of "different from", the correct form; which clearly shows you use Slate and such like as your primary sources and brings in to question the entirety of your article. I suggest you take a leave of absence from ministry and submit yourself to a board of reference who will monitor your comings and goings and submit all of your work to a third party forensic auditor.<br /><br />This should prove a salubrious "word to the wise" for your "blogger" colleagues who exist for no other purpose than the hurl the mighty from their seats.leadsoldierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12684975645312439707noreply@blogger.com