tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post5516156553627435295..comments2024-03-10T10:40:32.319-07:00Comments on Pyromaniacs: Mystery quotation: the fleshPhil Johnsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00649092052031518426noreply@blogger.comBlogger36125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-79994283119427404832009-01-18T12:12:00.000-08:002009-01-18T12:12:00.000-08:00Well . . . those are no small rewards, and he is s...Well . . . those are no small rewards, and he is surely deserving of them (intangible though they be).THEOparadoxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03214982083585956095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-31129032000284528642009-01-18T11:49:00.000-08:002009-01-18T11:49:00.000-08:00We don't have any, and I don't have any, respectiv...We don't have any, and I don't have any, respectively.<BR/><BR/>He gets... my respect. And my appreciation. My respect and appreciation. He gets <I>that</I>.DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-29645546803365510192009-01-18T11:37:00.000-08:002009-01-18T11:37:00.000-08:00Okay, so what does Agonizomai get for being the fi...Okay, so what does Agonizomai get for being the first to answer correctly? I think it's worth a Team Pyro T-shirt, at least - and maybe even a set of John MacArthur Commentaries, eh?THEOparadoxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03214982083585956095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-42065005348524828002009-01-18T08:34:00.000-08:002009-01-18T08:34:00.000-08:00Sorry...where I said 'disabused',I should have sai...Sorry...where I said 'disabused',I should have said 'abused', and where I said 'dichotomy'I should have said 'such antitheses'.Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14063611909779154899noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-22001298041883993002009-01-18T06:05:00.000-08:002009-01-18T06:05:00.000-08:00w.rust,I appreciate your answering me. I have to s...w.rust,I appreciate your answering me. I have to say,though,without wanting to get into it here, that I don't think that's right. The Spirit/our spirit isn't waging war against our humanity/God-given faculties, but against what's yet wrong with them as misused. Otherwise, the ascetics were right. One can hardly blame the brethren for other-worldly spirit/flesh dualism, and then push a soul/body dualism! Too, Rom7 evidently sets forth a position of continual bondage, as concerning one's identity as a creation before God. It doesn't seem to be 'sometimes I do what I don't want to do, etc'. The man is experiencing the continual bondage of the law of sin and death(v23,24), a bondage of sin by way of the law, which has his human faculties disabused and in slavery to the same. Whereas the man is delivered from that bondage in Rom8v2. He's been delivered from the control of the law,and the sin and death aroused by the law. Thus he is free to the life-consequences of Christ's resurrection, as a new creation in him. He puts off the misdeeds of the flesh, not by crucifying his God-given faculty, but by appropriating the life that is his as a new creation, with the resurrection life and blessings of Christ's redemption welling up in him to transform him into the same image in the present. Realigning his faculties, as he walks by faith...by 'dualism', I didn't mean dichotomy, but some form of disconnect in the operation of the 'parts' that make the 'whole',that sets them inherently against each other somehow. I think 'Platonic Dualism' basically said that we are soul and body in a bad marriage where the body is the inherent problem.Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14063611909779154899noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-5932433429422499052009-01-18T04:57:00.000-08:002009-01-18T04:57:00.000-08:00Phil,I would refer you to the great Puritan John O...Phil,<BR/><BR/>I would refer you to the great Puritan John Owen in his book <B>The Mortification of Sin</B>. He talks about how the flesh is our actual body and refers to Romans chapter 7, "deliver me from the body of this death". He teaches that we can have mastery over it <I>(by feeding our spirit on a steady diet of the Word, and following the leading of the Spirit of God in application - and suffocating the desires of the flesh)</I>, but we will never be completely free until we are glorified. Apparently it does control us from time to time, at least in that 'we do what we don't want to and don't do what we should', again as Paul said in Romans 7.<BR/><BR/>Also, I don't think dualism is necessarily a bad thing. The Bible is highly antithetical: Spirit - flesh, light - dark, good - evil, etc. I hope this helps.Bill R.https://www.blogger.com/profile/16938922140995146034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-60172254638794034652009-01-17T06:15:00.000-08:002009-01-17T06:15:00.000-08:00I guess I should add the material brokenness in th...I guess I should add the material brokenness in the physical body as the last element of 'the flesh'.Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14063611909779154899noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-7879720349842652252009-01-17T05:30:00.000-08:002009-01-17T05:30:00.000-08:00The response Spurgeon was given does sound dozy. N...The response Spurgeon was given does sound dozy. No-one is justified without the flesh being present. In fact,without being 'in the flesh'. And it remains in all. But here's my genuine question. I understand Paul means one's physicality on occasion when he uses 'flesh' in the sense of 'flesh and blood '. But in Rom 7,that's not the case with 'sarx'. 'The flesh' is human faculty kinked to misrepresentative operation. Misrepresentative patterns of thought/actions concerning the character of God as visaged in God's intended humanity. Now, I've seen it said that Augustine was rather influenced by Platonic Dualism with his views of the inherent(rather than derived) sinfulness of human faculty. You see the dualist tendency manifesting in various forms, e.g. strands of ascetism,'body bad,spirit good',other-worldliness, etc,including in Protestantism. So,my question.<BR/>..how do you describe 'the flesh'? I think I see it as something we yet have, but are not 'in'/controlled by, as new creations, as to a 'living'(dying!) principle...you're input gratefully considered.Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14063611909779154899noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-68868681361135874252009-01-16T08:45:00.000-08:002009-01-16T08:45:00.000-08:00My first guess was Jimmy Carter....you said to be ...My first guess was Jimmy Carter....you said to be honest. Looks like I'm way off though! Not the first time.Ryan and Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08945439550338182100noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-38815696598041744062009-01-16T08:19:00.000-08:002009-01-16T08:19:00.000-08:00I guessed Spurgeon as well, even though I cannot r...I guessed Spurgeon as well, even though I cannot recall reading it, it is ever so typical. His treatment of 'the brethren' was always gentle but searching.Jonathan Hunthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12341478626195362383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-20286428034379407392009-01-16T05:20:00.000-08:002009-01-16T05:20:00.000-08:00I really love Spurgeon, and I really don't think t...I really love Spurgeon, and I really don't think that "model-skinny" is healthy, but I also think that fat pastors ought to put some effort towards getting, well, less FAT! It just doesn't 'fit' (no pun intended) with the biblical image of a disciplined man of God.Tim Bushonghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10361674501531239434noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-61113734850232200482009-01-16T01:16:00.000-08:002009-01-16T01:16:00.000-08:00Spurgeon. I only had to read the first few words t...Spurgeon. I only had to read the first few words to recognise it. I printed it in a Christian Union magazine when I was in university nearly ten years ago. I know this one very, very well.Highland Hosthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18205436472908741409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-41864181653944124122009-01-15T22:43:00.000-08:002009-01-15T22:43:00.000-08:00I thought Spurgeon, but then I was thinking twice ...I thought Spurgeon, but then I was thinking twice about the girth thing and for some reason John Haggee came to mind, and then so did Jerry Falwell... but given that Haggee would never say anything like that.... he was down, and the story telling wasn't enough like Falwell.... which left Spurgeon....<BR/><BR/>and reading the Comments, I got a confirmation of that...<BR/><BR/>nice to be holier than a lot in this area... as I am skinny if overweight(relative to my height, I'm overweight, but only have a gut that sticks out, not a flop over gut {that is, your stomach flops over your belt})<BR/><BR/>that said, as I'm wearing shorts and a t-shirt (yes, it's cold outside, but warm inside) I have a lot of skin showing.....<BR/><BR/>though this quote almost sounded gnostic... or was he telling on the gnosticism of those around him? perhaps that of the other group?<BR/><BR/><BR/>first rule of gnosticism: Flesh bad, spirit good.TwistTimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04124972468411042900noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-76312935819017323532009-01-15T18:29:00.000-08:002009-01-15T18:29:00.000-08:00Sounds like Spurgeon's humor. (Really, I didn't c...Sounds like Spurgeon's humor. (Really, I didn't cheat. I'm glad to know that I got it right!)Susanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08289347868497438542noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-91778509854841028322009-01-15T16:42:00.000-08:002009-01-15T16:42:00.000-08:00Oh...and the comments confirm it. :)Oh...and the comments confirm it. :)Becky Schellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17770865501944518003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-37888168510260695752009-01-15T16:40:00.000-08:002009-01-15T16:40:00.000-08:00I think Spurgeon; it just sounds like him.I think Spurgeon; it just sounds like him.Becky Schellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17770865501944518003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-39591373660724145732009-01-15T16:00:00.000-08:002009-01-15T16:00:00.000-08:00Legendary qoute that one..Legendary qoute that one..Andreashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12328735579967677116noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-64972778627326918562009-01-15T15:12:00.000-08:002009-01-15T15:12:00.000-08:00It sounds very Spurgeon.It sounds very Spurgeon.reformedlawlesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02410085718261850096noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-48157902419485887722009-01-15T15:02:00.000-08:002009-01-15T15:02:00.000-08:00Gary, Sorry about that. I have a version in a PD...Gary,<BR/> Sorry about that. I have a version in a PDF file and it's in 3 volumes.Scotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17620657390402998257noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-22121195213742668492009-01-15T14:19:00.000-08:002009-01-15T14:19:00.000-08:00Pure Spurgeon. No mistaking that wit. :DPure Spurgeon. No mistaking that wit. :DLeeChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05540608568274871363noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-20088847300402382072009-01-15T14:05:00.000-08:002009-01-15T14:05:00.000-08:00Spurgeon my favorite fat preacher!Spurgeon my favorite fat preacher!Patrickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18102764056482609269noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-39111589932914512422009-01-15T10:39:00.000-08:002009-01-15T10:39:00.000-08:00i think it is Spurgeon, but I don't remember readi...i think it is Spurgeon, but I don't remember reading this in his autobiography.Lisahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14009121709733650503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-55213350925723214932009-01-15T10:02:00.000-08:002009-01-15T10:02:00.000-08:00Great quote.And as of this morning I am 2.5 pounds...Great quote.<BR/><BR/>And as of this morning I am 2.5 pounds more godly than I was on January 1.Rachael Starkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10781158372237369417noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-20457372599549867132009-01-15T09:32:00.000-08:002009-01-15T09:32:00.000-08:00Dan,Is this a way to stir us back to our New Year'...Dan,<BR/>Is this a way to stir us back to our New Year's resolutions?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13858857487962300855noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-35664290426663998142009-01-15T09:26:00.000-08:002009-01-15T09:26:00.000-08:00DJP, thanks for the citation link.I have not had t...DJP, thanks for the citation link.<BR/><BR/>I have not had the opportunity to read Spurgeon's biography yet, and this little section was just what I needed to read to set the tone for work today: hard work, but of merry wit :).Sir Brasshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01893578064434019702noreply@blogger.com