tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post6098038544995523176..comments2024-03-10T10:40:32.319-07:00Comments on Pyromaniacs: Mystery Quotation: knowledgePhil Johnsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00649092052031518426noreply@blogger.comBlogger44125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-86831226264676386122007-07-11T08:17:00.000-07:002007-07-11T08:17:00.000-07:00Dan, more posting on your blog as well would be a ...Dan, more posting on your blog as well would be a blessing to all of us. I pray that the Lord is resolving whatever needed to be worked out that you alluded to a couple of weeks ago.<BR/><BR/>Matt, thank you, but I'm just echoing what wiser and more experienced souls have already said or written (like Dan in the original post). I do thank the Lord, though, that by his sovereign design, he has led me to a church that teaches <B>both</B> Biblical Christanity <B>and</B> solid Christian discipleship, led by pastors and elders full of Scriptural knowledge and the Spritual wisdom to apply that knowledge.<BR/><BR/>And as I just mentioned on another post, I thank the Lord for this blog as well, for He has worked through Phil, Dan, and Frank to teach not only me but many of us in our walk with the Lord, and not for our sake, but for His. Soli Deo gloria.Stefan Ewinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05530690016594029847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-41213542641409842552007-07-11T05:22:00.000-07:002007-07-11T05:22:00.000-07:00Kyle — well-put, and I take it the same way you do...<B>Kyle</B> — well-put, and I take it the same way you do.<BR/><BR/><B>Sewing</B> — right. I take it the way I take all the warning passages in Scripture (to speak very generally). Those dire warnings are <I>part of how the Holy Spirit keeps the elect</I>. The elect read those warnings, and respond in faith. But the warning is real. <I>If</I> I only hear and respond with intellectual interest (like Bunyan's Talkative), what I "know" will only heat up my condemnation.<BR/><BR/><B>Matt</B> — I posted fairly recently (but rather obliquely) over at my blog why I haven't been posting more. I'm working on getting back at it more, God willing. Your prayers for me and my family would be much appreciated.DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-22539479048020831072007-07-11T04:37:00.000-07:002007-07-11T04:37:00.000-07:00Sounds like a quote from J. C. Ryle, "How Readest ...Sounds like a quote from J. C. Ryle, "How Readest Thou?"Ronald Markshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02842351514728407150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-46886420209834979602007-07-10T21:04:00.000-07:002007-07-10T21:04:00.000-07:00But Dan,I am sure I heard somewhere that conservat...But Dan,<BR/><BR/>I am sure I heard somewhere that conservative Christians are only concerned about intellectual assent to a list of doctrines without any change in lifestyle. I think it was a guy with a Scottish name - Cryin' McBlarin' or something like it.<BR/><BR/>All kidding aside, sewing, you truly speak words of wisdom. (Why don't you post more on your blog?) The more theologically inclined I become, the more I must remind myself that the objective of theological discernment is greater obedience, not just greater pride in knowledge. It is a real struggle (for me) to not let knowledge become the end in itself. The reminder is excellent, and the original material is excellent as well. Thanx Dan. <BR/><BR/>BTW, I think the orthodox heretic / heretical orthodox hound game could become very interesting.Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10350390523818046990noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-3946973498732596362007-07-10T19:13:00.000-07:002007-07-10T19:13:00.000-07:00I think Dan meant it first and foremost as an admo...I think Dan meant it first and foremost as an admonition to those in all generations—and we Calvinistically-inclined bloggers and hangers-on are no exception—who risk getting puffed up on theological knowledge, without taking what we have learned and applying it: applying to do confront and deal with our own sins (especially the pridefulness that we theologically-inclined geeks are so much in risk of exhibiting); applying it to help fellow believers; applying it to bear true witness and bring the Gospel to unbelievers; and so on.Stefan Ewinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05530690016594029847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-42523618959447136422007-07-10T18:03:00.000-07:002007-07-10T18:03:00.000-07:00In response to Daryl’s post above. Perhaps I am s...In response to Daryl’s post above. Perhaps I am speaking out of turn, since I have not read <I>Precious remedies Against Satan’s Devices</I>. However, reading this quote alone leads me to the following thoughts. This could be taken as addressed to two groups, believers and unbelievers. If to the latter then it can be understood to point to a similar though as is taught in Luke 12:46-48:<BR/><BR/><I>But if that slave says in his heart, 'My master will be a long time in coming,' and begins to beat the slaves, both men and women, and to eat and drink and get drunk; the master of that slave will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he does not know, and will cut him in pieces, and assign him a place with the unbelievers. And that slave who knew his master's will and did not get ready or act in accord with his will, will receive many lashes, but the one who did not know it, and committed deeds worthy of a flogging, will receive but few. From everyone who has been given much, much will be required; and to whom they entrusted much, of him they will ask all the more. </I><BR/><BR/>Clearly if someone hears and does not believe then this knowledge will lead to his further torment when he is judged, which is what he could be referring to by <I>“the more miserable man thou wilt be in the day of recompense; thy light and knowledge will more torment thee than all the devils in hell.”</I><BR/><BR/>If this is addressed to the former group, which it may be since I imagine that it is primarily Christians who are interested in remedies for Satan’s devises, then it is a bit harder in light of Romans 8:1. However, I think Brooks may be pointing to passages such as 1 Corinthians 3:15, “If any man's work is burned up, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.” Or 2 Peter 1:10-11, “Therefore, brethren, be all the more diligent to make certain about His calling and choosing you; for as long as you practice these things, you will never stumble; for in this way the entrance into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ will be abundantly supplied to you.” Implying that the way of entrance will be a fond homecoming rather than a narrow escape if we put into practice what we know (Spurgeon has a very interesting sermon regarding this passage <A HREF="http://www.spurgeon.org/sermons/0123.htm" REL="nofollow"> http://www.spurgeon.org/sermons/0123.htm</A>).<BR/><BR/>I personally think that Brooks is addressing readers who may pretend and even deceive themselves into thinking that their salvation is secured, yet have no reason to be so convinced. (<I>“the more knowing man thou art, the more miserable man thou wilt be in the day of recompense; thy light and knowledge will more torment thee than all the devils in hell. Thy knowledge will be that rod that will eternally lash thee, and that scorpion that will for ever bite thee, and that worm that will everlastingly gnaw thee; therefore read, and labour to know, that thou mayest do, or else thou art undone for ever.”</I> This seems to refer to a hellish existence). Those who would read this book, thinking it adds to their piety, yet are not convicted by it words nor spurred on by their challenges. This is why he calls, with James, to action; a faith proved and shorn up by resolute action. I think this is call by way of warning, to be “diligent to make certain about His calling and choosing you.”<BR/><BR/>Either way this is sound biblical council that should be soberly considered by each reader, no matter what his condition.KRGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05385989611915711891noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-63529688334982355162007-07-10T15:34:00.000-07:002007-07-10T15:34:00.000-07:00dan,or... totally heretical guys, from totally her...dan,<BR/><BR/>or... totally heretical guys, from totally heretical pieces... but quotations that sound totally orthodox.<BR/><BR/>good post today, by the way.David Ruddhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12572780147564110421noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-25866525462107666762007-07-10T14:38:00.000-07:002007-07-10T14:38:00.000-07:00John Bunyan ... ;-))John Bunyan ... ;-))Pamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07484881058192805181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-51149649152055619292007-07-10T14:35:00.000-07:002007-07-10T14:35:00.000-07:00It would be funny, David, to play Mystery Quotatio...It would be funny, David, to play Mystery Quotation, with TOTALLY out-of-context quotations from TOTALLY sound guys, that sound TOTALLY heretical. Just to make that point. Then give the whole context.<BR/><BR/>But then heck, I've got enough online that someone could surely do the same on me!DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-34698733537264894482007-07-10T14:15:00.000-07:002007-07-10T14:15:00.000-07:00just a joke dan...without the context you know...just a joke dan...<BR/><BR/>without the context you know...David Ruddhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12572780147564110421noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-2724117579037366232007-07-10T12:53:00.000-07:002007-07-10T12:53:00.000-07:00...insofar as it crept first into Romans 7:24?...insofar as it crept first into Romans 7:24?DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-25126758497848127272007-07-10T12:34:00.000-07:002007-07-10T12:34:00.000-07:00Oh to be in heaven, and freed from the body of thi...<I>Oh to be in heaven, and freed from the body of this death, huh?</I><BR/><BR/>has gnosticism even crept into the pyromaniacs?David Ruddhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12572780147564110421noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-3428650758411731632007-07-10T12:02:00.000-07:002007-07-10T12:02:00.000-07:00Verily, thou didst give unto us an excerpt whose a...Verily, thou didst give unto us an excerpt whose authorship was most vexing to deduce.<BR/><BR/>I'm sure I've read it in a Biblezine somewhere, though....Stefan Ewinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05530690016594029847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-12920792165418087282007-07-10T11:42:00.000-07:002007-07-10T11:42:00.000-07:00jbuck21—Oh to be in heaven, and freed from the bod...<B>jbuck21</B>—<I>Oh to be in heaven, and freed from the body of this death, huh?</I><BR/><BR/>Amen, amen.DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-42095239690821767232007-07-10T11:36:00.000-07:002007-07-10T11:36:00.000-07:00I don't own a copy of Precious Remedies; I have to...I don't own a copy of <I>Precious Remedies</I>; I have to credit Spurgeon for his help. I happen to have his <I>Smooth Stones from Ancient Brooks</I>, in which he excerpts extensively from Thomas Brooks.<BR/><BR/>Guess it's time for me to get <I>Precious Remedies</I>...stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00499447751220981083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-24046109567057330302007-07-10T09:02:00.000-07:002007-07-10T09:02:00.000-07:00"Appropriate thoughts, I think, for readers (—and ..."Appropriate thoughts, I think, for readers (—and writers!) of Biblically contentful blogs."<BR/><BR/>...which blogs?? <BR/><BR/>Kidding.<BR/><BR/>Good quote - <BR/><BR/>I remember Piper talking about Sinclair Ferguson trying to get his students to read SLOWER. I'm guilty of speed reading. And it's such a good reminder to dwell on these types of thoughts and to be constantly bringing one's conscience under this kind of scrutiny in a quiet and slow way. <BR/><BR/>Oh to be in heaven, and freed from the body of this death, huh?Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16466838495115756231noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-38430674997787775332007-07-10T09:00:00.000-07:002007-07-10T09:00:00.000-07:00So... let's say I read something useful (whether i...So... let's say I read something useful (whether it be a Pyro Blog, Thomas Brooks, or whatever) and try to make application of it... but so far I'm not experiencing any victory in that particlar area. Should I stop reading until progress is made?<BR/><BR/>Then follow-up questions is... does this same principle (work with the light you have rather than seeking more light) apply in any way to the reading of Scripture?<BR/><BR/>Sometimes I worry about how much knowledge I have piled up in my head which has never been successfully put into practice. It's overwhelming really.Andrew Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13325110133957216983noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-71096650251396694602007-07-10T08:50:00.000-07:002007-07-10T08:50:00.000-07:00...to shich this writer refers...?????...which...o......to shich this writer refers...?????<BR/><BR/>...which...of course.Darylhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01296029404229769941noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-51123320674179003322007-07-10T08:49:00.000-07:002007-07-10T08:49:00.000-07:00Huzzah!And what a book... Might be time for me to ...Huzzah!<BR/><BR/>And what a book... Might be time for me to re-read it.Daniel Blanchehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15525641726889468099noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-4564203769175941842007-07-10T08:48:00.000-07:002007-07-10T08:48:00.000-07:00A quick comment on the quote itself:I see (reading...A quick comment on the quote itself:<BR/><BR/>I see (reading it more closely than before, my apologies) that the condemnation to which he is referring seems to be the condemnation of conscience with on earth. <BR/>However I gotta believe that "there is therefore now no condemnation" applies even here. <BR/><BR/>Honestly, this is one concept that I have never fully understood. How is it that there is both no condemnation and yet condemnation of conscience at the same time? (And I agree with the author, there certainly is)<BR/>Surely the condemnation of conscience, as he describes, is not wrong.<BR/><BR/>Ahh...I think I'm having one of those "seeing the answer as I write" moments. The difference I suppose, is actual legal condemnation resulting in wrath (under the no condemnation heading) and the guilt of conscience which is intended to spur us on toward seeking after God (under the heading to shich this writer refers)<BR/><BR/>Does any one of us do what they know? Is the double heaven idea that the writer mentions possible?Darylhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01296029404229769941noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-60420266463252066832007-07-10T08:41:00.001-07:002007-07-10T08:41:00.001-07:00Daryl: good point, and good caution.Daniel and Ste...Daryl: good point, and good caution.<BR/><BR/>Daniel and Steve: DINGDINGDINGDING!<BR/><BR/><I>Precious Remedies against Satan's Devices</I>, Thomas Brooks, 1652, Banner of Truth, p. 22DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-24623388414587748162007-07-10T08:41:00.000-07:002007-07-10T08:41:00.000-07:00Doh! Al beat me to it.stupid blogger made me do th...Doh! Al beat me to it.<BR/><BR/>stupid blogger made me do the word verification 3 times!<BR/><BR/>Ah well who am I kidding? I was totally guessing. Is Watson correct though?<BR/><BR/>I'll go further an guess it's from his "Body of Divinity", since that's the only Watson book I know of. It's on my shelf. The only part I've read so far is the 10 commandments.Andrew Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13325110133957216983noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-38060857673782195132007-07-10T08:35:00.000-07:002007-07-10T08:35:00.000-07:00Thomas WatsonThomas WatsonAndrew Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13325110133957216983noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-88584304857231153202007-07-10T08:33:00.000-07:002007-07-10T08:33:00.000-07:00Watson... al sendsWatson... <BR/><BR/>al sendsAlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02659402617723892967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-42044880022086232622007-07-10T08:31:00.000-07:002007-07-10T08:31:00.000-07:00Dan,You're right of course. That was a silly comme...Dan,<BR/><BR/>You're right of course. That was a silly comment. <BR/>I wasn't saying you were quoting them, only that that particular bit, taken alone with no context (I had none, being unaware that it was a Puritan writer) does sound that way. <BR/><BR/>Perhaps we can use it as an object lesson in using quotes as the quotee intended.<BR/><BR/>Sorry for any ruffled feathers.Darylhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01296029404229769941noreply@blogger.com