tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post6436978835537735256..comments2024-03-10T10:40:32.319-07:00Comments on Pyromaniacs: Men, fathers, husbands: under fire from all sidesPhil Johnsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00649092052031518426noreply@blogger.comBlogger63125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-26049587351628277512009-05-24T21:47:46.964-07:002009-05-24T21:47:46.964-07:00The statement above about servant leadership right...The statement above about servant leadership rightly identifies a need to find something more comprehensive than servant leadership. Biblical stewardship is that something. Stewards don't empower others as Greenleaf's idea of servant leadership suggests. Instead, they serve a master and recognize their chief end is to point others to the master they serve.<br /><br />Sincerely,<br />Leroy Hurt<br />http://www.c-scapeblogazine.net<br />http://www.yourunfinishedbusiness.netAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-83762134637436784332009-05-20T05:16:12.256-07:002009-05-20T05:16:12.256-07:00"..when the wife continually treats the father wit..."..when the wife continually treats the father with disrespect?"<br /><br />I use a ball and chain.<br /><br />Just kidding.<br /><br />I would guess that the father would have to trust and obey, and do a lot of praying, and go to your pastor and elders with the wife.<br />Perhaps hook the wife up with some godly wives in your church.donsandshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03665794015011057098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-22995002267329146282009-05-20T05:04:55.330-07:002009-05-20T05:04:55.330-07:00Great post, DJP. Ditto that.
(Oh...it's git 'er d...Great post, DJP. Ditto that.<br /><br />(Oh...it's git 'er done).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-53085256668655681492009-05-19T23:09:29.883-07:002009-05-19T23:09:29.883-07:00So what's the Godly/Biblical answer when the wife ...So what's the Godly/Biblical answer when the wife continually treats the father with disrespect?<br /><br />When no matter how much you do, it's always about what you didn't do?<br /><br />When she establishes her "authority" by brow beating her husband in front of her children, consciously or unconsciously showing them who's "boss?"<br /><br />What is the true, Biblical Christian man's response to this supposed to be?<br /> <br />In all seriousness.Steve Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11798539672493222588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-84427110294126162402009-05-19T20:57:59.257-07:002009-05-19T20:57:59.257-07:00Dan,
Love. That. Story.
JulieDan,<br /><br />Love. That. Story.<br /><br />JulieHerding Grasshoppershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15668974245505544238noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-3848769587978433002009-05-19T17:55:48.355-07:002009-05-19T17:55:48.355-07:00I was recently blessed by this message from Voddie...I was recently blessed by this message from Voddie Baucham concerning biblical headship (hope this can add to this, well actually hope this can challenge and bless us)<br />http://www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=57092323310<br /><br />I believe we are accountable to the extent of faithfulness to the commands of God, despite our culture. <br />I do believe men show a major disconnect with their words and theology when they don't fight for doctrine within the home (nuturing their wives and children with the word). Something I made a video about on Youtube (i won't post the link but if curious search for it :)Julius Mickelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02453209929174513662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-40182491962672676182009-05-19T15:40:01.866-07:002009-05-19T15:40:01.866-07:00Regarding the incident you recounted with your chi...Regarding the incident you recounted with your children, my son knows that the quickest way for him to find himself in heap big trouble is to treat his mom, my wife, with disrespect. Given this, I can identify with the incident you recounted and how you handled things. I regularly tell my wife that it was a privilege and honor to stand before God, our families and friends, and the greater community on our wedding day and promise to love, honor and cherish her until death brings us apart.<br /><br />When one looks at how greater culture and the church have went to great efforts to mold and shape fathers and fatherhood, it can only point to the importance of fathers and fatherhood. Why devote so much effort to mold and shape an insignificant actor playing an insignificant role?<br /><br />Look how often Scripture refers to God as Father. Children are to make sense of and understand God by metaphorically looking to their earthly fathers. To the extent that Satan can succeed in distorting fathers and fatherhood, he succeeds in distorting this metaphor. Just look at how many children have an earthly father that bears no semblance to God the Father. One can make a similar argument for husbands properly loving their wives as a metaphor for helping us understand how Christ loves the Church, or in an Old Testament context, one can look at the seriousness of marital infidelity as a metaphor for idol worship, or theological infidelity.<br /><br />The roles that husbands and fathers play are of critical, eternal importance. That's why husbands and fathers and the roles they play continue to attract the attention of greater culture and the church. <br /><br />Regarding the church, it's possible to hold Scripture in high regard yet fail to understand what it teaches. That's why - without placing human tradition above Scripture - interpreting Scripture cannot be an individual exercise. One needs to hold his interpretation of Scripture up to the interpretations of God fearing men down through the ages.farmboyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05445789397476595536noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-53312278519842916272009-05-19T15:21:47.924-07:002009-05-19T15:21:47.924-07:00MeanieNow I know where you got your name.<B>Meanie</B>Now I know where you got your name.Chad V.https://www.blogger.com/profile/02478790778245966382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-7891612987873754092009-05-19T13:57:00.000-07:002009-05-19T13:57:00.000-07:00strategem said: "I've been lectured a number of ti...strategem said: "I've been lectured a number of times on the 'Dad is responsible for everything that goes wrong in the family' bit... I often respond with whether they thought Samuel was a failure, since his sons didn't walk in his ways but instead perverted justice?"<br /><br />And what about David? His sin with Bathsheba cost him the lives of four of his sons, and his other son Solomon was no great example either. And yet he is the "man after God's own heart", and the paragon of a Godly king. How deep does God's forgiveness run!<br /><br />Oh, and Barbara - your "I hear the hiss all over it" almost caused me to splut. Great line!Mark B. Hansonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15942591774072214556noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1319434696280318522009-05-19T12:44:00.000-07:002009-05-19T12:44:00.000-07:00David:
When Jesus opens the door, do we panic?
D...David:<br /><br /><I>When Jesus opens the door, do we panic</I>?<br /><br />David, I have sinned and continue to sin. And unfortunately, I occasionally get spanked for it. And I assure you, that if I were in the middle of doing something I knew I shouldn't be doing and Jesus annouced his arrival was imminent, I'd most definately be in a state of panic.<br /><br /><I>Is it easier to get things done when we respect Jesus' bride</I>?<br /><br />Absolutely!<br /><br />Rachael: There is one truism that I have learned about discipline. Nip disobedience in the bud with extreme prejudice and you find that you don't need to continually discipline in the future.<br /><br />Dan: You are a rock of an example! I would have snuck a snack after the kids went to bed.Aaronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15285043747501470199noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-77135979959001005432009-05-19T12:32:00.000-07:002009-05-19T12:32:00.000-07:00At my previous church the pastor undertook the sam...At my previous church the pastor undertook the same task one year - challenge the mothers and honor the fathers. A couple of the fathers were almost in tears afterward...<br /><br />We also asked ourselves, what kind of gift would a father want after church? Certainly not a rose. The answer: a cold beer. So we passed out iced cans of Dad's Root Beer.Mark B. Hansonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15942591774072214556noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-28628585284804530582009-05-19T12:25:00.000-07:002009-05-19T12:25:00.000-07:00Dan,
You nailed this one!!!!! As you say about y...Dan, <br /><br />You nailed this one!!!!! As you say about yourself, I've noticed as well that you are not one to simply find a comfy place between two extremes...merely for the sake of finding such a place to reside. However, I could not agree more with your middle stance on this subject, as I'm sitting right there next to you...as a father and husband myself! I've just e-mailed my wife, telling her to give this excellent post a read!Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01930864320573865515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-87113124840413191062009-05-19T12:05:00.000-07:002009-05-19T12:05:00.000-07:00Anything but the dreaded flavor of the month "man ...Anything but the dreaded flavor of the month "man (up) book".<br /><br />Btw, Fairness Doctrine was in reference to the attempts, in the meta, to share the other side. You know. Just to be fair.semhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01900106806293193071noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-6100655518701059832009-05-19T11:56:00.000-07:002009-05-19T11:56:00.000-07:00Dry flies for every father!
Now that will get you...Dry flies for every father!<br /><br />Now that will get you votes from the outdoorsmen :P.Sir Brasshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01893578064434019702noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-30037957807435489472009-05-19T11:48:00.000-07:002009-05-19T11:48:00.000-07:00...or dry flies.
Hear, hear....or dry flies.<br /><br />Hear, hear.DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-81302832544162470212009-05-19T11:46:00.000-07:002009-05-19T11:46:00.000-07:00Dan, when did you institute the Fairness Doctrine?...Dan, when did you institute the Fairness Doctrine? I must have missed that.<br /><br />In my church, Mother's Day has always been 'Oh Moms are so great, we honor you, here's a packet of lovely flower seeds.' Father's Day is usually, 'Come on guys, man up. Here's a book on how to do a better job'. But this year was different. This year, Moms got the hammer, and a book. It was beautiful. I can't speak for other women, but I'd much rather have a punch in the gut than a pat on the hand. I'm hoping this means that this year that Dads will actually get a sermon honoring them for a change, and maybe some golf tees.semhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01900106806293193071noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-19432607907351241792009-05-19T11:23:00.000-07:002009-05-19T11:23:00.000-07:00DJP - Yes, actually, it is great.
The church is n...DJP - Yes, actually, it is great. <br />The church is not perfect, naturally, but it is centered on the Scriptures. That makes a world of difference. <br /><br />Barbara - I'm only about 5-10 years behind you and grew up in the same environment. I keep having this feeling that I'm a fish who just discovered water for the first time. "Oh this wet stuff, that everyone warned me about? You mean that's how it is <B><I>supposed</I></B> to be? And here I always thought I was just crazy for thinking so..."<br /><br />Thankfully, this has allowed my husband to take on the "servant-leader" role that comes naturally to him without either of us having to excuse our "abnormal" complimentarian behavior. <br /><br />Praise God, indeed, from whom all blessings flow.UinenMaiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04077219873155040591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-50058374399401404282009-05-19T11:17:00.000-07:002009-05-19T11:17:00.000-07:00Let me share a story about how a relative learned ...Let me share a story about how a relative learned to respect his mother. This took place in Arkansas back in the days when parents still disciplined. <br /><br />My maternal great grandmother picked up a switch to give a hiding to my great uncle, who at the time was around twelve, maybe a bit older. He took the switch away from her, broke it, and then ran. She hollered after him, "That's all right young man, I'll get you in the end." <br /><br />The day went on and all was forgotten until bedtime. My great uncle went to bed and eventually dropped off to sleep. My great grandmother waited for her moment, then went in and tied him up in the bedsheets until he couldn't move, and then she took a new switch and proceeded to whale the stuffing out of him. <br /><br />He never crossed her again.Solameaniehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09869424956571944997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-41645688058263601692009-05-19T10:44:00.000-07:002009-05-19T10:44:00.000-07:00A Word much needed to us all in famlies (I.e. anyb...A Word much needed to us all in famlies (I.e. anybody with parents).<br /><br />Thanks Dan,<br /><br />I need to print and keep this somewhere visible!Boerseuntjiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12823588390354919031noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-63450180458571242382009-05-19T10:43:00.000-07:002009-05-19T10:43:00.000-07:00Cool. And having been one who made those argument...Cool. And having been one who made those arguments myself, I can attest to their falsehood in theory and practice.David Regierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09766862583586784668noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-69204231093117618622009-05-19T10:29:00.000-07:002009-05-19T10:29:00.000-07:00"And TUAD,
My wife and I were members of CBE whe..."And TUAD, <br /><br />My wife and I were members of CBE when we got married. I bought into it."<br /><br />Hi David,<br /><br />I'm not an egalitarian. Never have been since learning what the complementarian-egalitarian issue was all about.<br /><br />I simply try and represent the other side's arguments as accurately and fairly as I can, so that they would say that I have understood and represented their arguments to their satisfaction (even if I staunchly disagree with them), so that I won't be accused of creating a strawman or caricature of their arguments.<br /><br />Being a biblical Christian requires me to honestly state that egalitarians staunchly claim that they believe the Bible too.<br /><br />Pax.Truth Unites... and Divideshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08891402278361538353noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-89852929496852816872009-05-19T10:19:00.000-07:002009-05-19T10:19:00.000-07:00Your dinner story reminded me of a similar inciden...Your dinner story reminded me of a similar incident I had recently with my own girls after a protracted bout of refusal to do their evening chores. I was completely out of ideas until I remembered 2 Thessalonians 3:10. I gave them one more warning of what would happen, and then, boom. Instead of dinner, bed.<br /><br />Surround sound wailing about starvation and sorrow ensued.<br /><br />And the chore-doing went amazingly smoothly from then on.<br /><br />Thanks for the reminder that honoring ones parents is yet another thing that has to be taught and caught.Rachael Starkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10781158372237369417noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-12540935804176731802009-05-19T10:12:00.000-07:002009-05-19T10:12:00.000-07:00And TUAD,
My wife and I were members of CBE when...And TUAD, <br /><br />My wife and I were members of CBE when we got married. I bought into it. <br /><br />But it's not the truth. There's too much scripture that has to be explained away through modern scholarship about what Paul was really trying to say. And the unbelievers that I tried to explain these things to said, "So Paul wasn't really saying what he was saying? Genesis isn't really saying what it's saying?" The unbelievers could see it better than I did. They were just more honest in their rejection.<br /><br />Fortunately, God's word is powerful and effective, even over a long course of time. And Jesus died for egalitarians too.David Regierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09766862583586784668noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-6468545513502753262009-05-19T10:03:00.001-07:002009-05-19T10:03:00.001-07:00Sir Aaron, a couple of pictures popped into my min...Sir Aaron, a couple of pictures popped into my mind when I read your post.<br /><br />When Jesus opens the door, do we panic?<br /><br />Is it easier to get things done when we respect Jesus' bride?<br /><br />Good things to chew on.David Regierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09766862583586784668noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-66238536298989221082009-05-19T10:03:00.000-07:002009-05-19T10:03:00.000-07:00Good post, dan.
I'll admit, I could be a little b...Good post, dan.<br /><br />I'll admit, I could be a little brat while growing up.....and I was not allowed to get away with it.<br /><br />If I disrespected my mother, the person I was afraid of wasn't her (primarilly), but my FATHER when he heard about it, and he'd hear about it (mom would tell him).<br /><br />He didn't do anything as creative as you did, but oh BOY did the point come across that I NEVER, EVER, EVER disrespect <I>my mother</I>. And his tongue lashing and discipline always left me feeling incredibly guilty (and not because I'd been caught, but because I'd been an absolute wretch to my poor mother). Good lessons learned.<br /><br />I made sure several years ago to tell them both that they'd been RIGHT.<br /><br />For all their faults as fallen people, my parents definitely did a good job of parenting.Sir Brasshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01893578064434019702noreply@blogger.com