tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post7021176371884389674..comments2024-03-10T10:40:32.319-07:00Comments on Pyromaniacs: Regarding "Sexual Orientation," Evil Desire, and the Question of Moral NeutralityPhil Johnsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00649092052031518426noreply@blogger.comBlogger34125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-11876916080442302222018-06-11T14:59:41.140-07:002018-06-11T14:59:41.140-07:00I am glad to see you are back Phil. I have abandon...I am glad to see you are back Phil. I have abandoned celebrity preachers, whether they be Piper, Hinn, Chandler, Jakes or any of the other charlatan's. It seems there is a 1% faithful celebrity preacher and you either fall in that 1% or haven't quite reached celebrity status. Either way, your post was spot on!Chris Nelsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10002534191126787408noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-88463991404977749832018-06-10T14:42:24.140-07:002018-06-10T14:42:24.140-07:00Great to have you back, Phil! I wish it wasn'...Great to have you back, Phil! I wish it wasn't the steady, circular decline of our society down the toilet bowl that occasioned your return, but I relished your truth and wit as a new believer, and can't wait to send my friends over to read your new stuff.busdriver4jesushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16263270384843913890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-35520971886974238612018-06-09T14:56:55.565-07:002018-06-09T14:56:55.565-07:00I now attend a PCA church. I seem to be rapidly r...I now attend a PCA church. I seem to be rapidly running out of faithful churches left for me to attend. One by one they are forfeiting the marks of a true church. I know we are not supposed to forsake the assembling of ourselves together but I can see a time when my only choices will be attending an apostate church or worshipping God in the privacy of my own home. It's a dismal tide.Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17977318361712446746noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-60824005710352510242018-06-09T10:11:50.450-07:002018-06-09T10:11:50.450-07:00Brother Phil, when so many are cowardly quiet on a...Brother Phil, when so many are cowardly quiet on all of this crazy stuff these days, your voice offers comfort and stability to the followers of Christ. Grateful for your gift to Christ Church. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15257412679675749950noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-5815997845660651162018-06-08T13:19:10.582-07:002018-06-08T13:19:10.582-07:00.
I do not agree with the idea of "being gay....<br /><br />I do not agree with the idea of "being gay". You can't "be" homosexual, as though that were somehow an inherent part of your very being. A homosexual is one who engages in homosexual activities that are forbidden by the Lord as plainly revealed in scripture. Period. <br /><br />For the longest time, the homosexual element have trotted out this definition as a defense for their illegal actions. <b>I DO</b> because <b>I AM</b>..., and who are you to make judgement on <b>what I AM?</b>. In spite of this "New Wave Homosexuality" being very clearly defined as a "choice" in it's early days in the late 70's to early 80's, they've since backtrodden on that pretty quick when it was suddenly discovered, "Dang. They <b>can</b> pass judgement on my choices after all...". That's why we now have "I <b><i>AM</i></b> Gay".<br /><br />But, no. You AM NOT gay. You engage in homosexual activities, which are forbidden by scripture.<br /><br />This business of trying to normalise homosexuality, especially within what calls itself "church", is just another iteration of that same nonsense. Be "what you are", but do not engage in anything that you would naturally engage in if you were, in fact, that thing. <br /><br />How does that even work? It's like saying "Be what you are, but do not DO what you are."<br /><br />Ultimately, I think this whole Revoice movement is nothing more than an attack on scriptural authority. <br /><br />It is nothing more than, "<i>Yea, hath God really said?</i>" all over again.<br /><br />.KaelWallacehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00724303397231632674noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-3997033358136309562018-06-05T16:34:44.361-07:002018-06-05T16:34:44.361-07:00...thus...thusFBFhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09305040167060770678noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-82587719302105249782018-06-05T16:33:47.065-07:002018-06-05T16:33:47.065-07:00Wondering if the term 'heterosexuality' ac...Wondering if the term 'heterosexuality' actually legitimized 'homosexuality' as an identity.... There are no identities but sinful humanity.... We are evil to the core.... Are we pricked? And do we obey? Sin is trauma and should be felt and treated this.....FBFhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09305040167060770678noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-52678354792628388042018-06-05T08:39:20.313-07:002018-06-05T08:39:20.313-07:00Kezia Rose
Here is what ALL men's and women...Kezia Rose<br />Here is what ALL men's and women's standing are before God, no matter their standing in the world, whether or not considered normal or perverted by worldly standards, God's standard trumps all others and it does not take into account feelings!<br />1"ALL have sinned and fall short of the glory of God!"<br />2"ALL are separated from God, without hope"<br />3"God the Father sent His Son into the world as the atoning sacrifice for ALL men"<br />4"ALL men, in their sinful, perverted state, have to come to the Christ for salvation"<br />5"If salvation is attained via grace through faith, provided for ALL men, then God takes that old, perverted, sinful man and makes him new"<br />6"The man saved is the man purchased by Christ's blood and he is no longer his own, "IN EVERY PART"<br />7"ALL saved men/women lose their sinful identities and everything else that they were, owned, etc..."<br />Point being, we all lose our identities, our proclivities, desires, wants, EVERYTHING, because we are his. The old man is gone and the new man has come. To come to him, old, perverted, identity intact is to come to Him under a false gospel! So, whether SSA, Pedophile, Necromancer, LGBTQX, whatever, all of it is his and none of it enters His kingdom. As harsh as it sounds; it is His way or the way to Hinnom, choose life eternal or death eternal. Revoice, you, Jason Harris, do not get to make the call! That being said, what will you choose? gigantor1231https://www.blogger.com/profile/13329932791380481665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-84670175544605906472018-06-05T06:52:15.334-07:002018-06-05T06:52:15.334-07:00Thanks Phil! So glad your back. :)Thanks Phil! So glad your back. :)Steven Chttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17656713247964842323noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-13985110290373490102018-06-04T07:07:52.948-07:002018-06-04T07:07:52.948-07:00As a Christian, I am shocked and saddened by this ...As a Christian, I am shocked and saddened by this post and Phil's position on SSA. If you are a Christian with SSA, please know that not everyone is like Phil and his beliefs on this issue are not biblical ones. <br /><br />This article - <br /><br />http://teaminfocus.com.au/on-phil-johnson-and-same-sex-attraction/<br /><br /> - refutes Phil's from a gospel-soaked and biblical perspective.<br /><br />For Phil and others who believe like him, please read the above article too. You do not know the oppression and damage you are doing against these most vulnerable of our brothers and sisters in Christ. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15795078716807046283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-54315086580591593192018-06-04T06:57:29.089-07:002018-06-04T06:57:29.089-07:00Thanks for your clarity, Phil; so good to have you...Thanks for your clarity, Phil; so good to have you back. Heterosexual sex drive was created by God. Homosexual sex drive is a satanic counterfeit.Wendy Mariehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13899850424606817453noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-52548409748547214502018-06-03T12:49:56.753-07:002018-06-03T12:49:56.753-07:00This is just another trojan horse openly received ...This is just another trojan horse openly received inside the walls of the church. Eventually the purveyors of this doctrine will throw open the gates to deeper levels of sexual depravity. Committed celibacy for "LBGT Christians" isn't the goal, just a means to an end. Moral compromise leads inevitably to complete capitulation.beaconlighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06502412447530936396noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-31422506818432526922018-06-01T23:19:45.125-07:002018-06-01T23:19:45.125-07:00Mike Yonce, I am someone who can answer "yes&...Mike Yonce, I am someone who can answer "yes" to that Nazarene Church's question of whether any Christian can identify when they made the choice to not be homosexual.<br /><br />I am so glad that I was born in the 70s and that I don't remember alternative lifestyles being talked about, either at home or my Catholic school. I remember in my teens asking God to stop me being attracted to my friend. The heart racing when I saw her eventually stopped. In my later teens I was born again.<br /><br />The only other time I have been attracted to another woman was when I was severely backslidden. I became friendly with an openly gay woman. Again I prayed, and again God drew me back to Him. Both times I was far from God. <br /><br /><br />My militant pro-LGBT sister was extremely skeptical when I told her that I had these experiences. She like most people assumes that people are born gay. I know God answered my prayer.<br /><br /> I am sure that some people have believed they were gay since they were very young, and so their personal struggle would be extreme compared to mine. To my understanding Satan does not play fair, and therefore will tempt according to a person's weaknesses from their very earliest stage of life.<br /><br />It has been puzzling to me: why have Christian churches stopped preached on sin and temptation, from spiritual warfare perspective? Why has homosexuality et.al. been put in the too hard basket? Don't we believe God can break the power of sexual sins too? Jo Hunthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00952098915889617967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-51980571757660531252018-06-01T05:48:08.558-07:002018-06-01T05:48:08.558-07:00I'm reminded of the old saying that it's n...I'm reminded of the old saying that it's not a sin for a bird to land on your head but it is a sin to allow it to build a nest there. Burrito34https://www.blogger.com/profile/04326575419406343733noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-56588219250012080552018-06-01T00:39:26.291-07:002018-06-01T00:39:26.291-07:00It is sad that the evangelical world has come to t...It is sad that the evangelical world has come to this; or is coming to this. I think this article hits upon a reality that might just be the doorway that causes many--even so called doctrinally orthodox Christians--to apostatize, or at least leave the door open in such a way that their children do. This issue all by itself has the capacity to divide and conquer in such a way that Christ alone will have to put a stop to it. It's at the very least, foreboding. Isaak Allenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10868627167195165828noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-77893074821323344562018-05-31T16:47:17.437-07:002018-05-31T16:47:17.437-07:00Phil, this is an excellent post. I’m stunned to se...Phil, this is an excellent post. I’m stunned to see so many people who call themselves Christians abandoning the clear teaching of Scripture to support this and other contemporary falsehoods. The Bible is abundantly clear that the only relationship where sexual expression is not sinful is a marriage of one man and one woman. (It pains me that I even have to define marriage). Anyone who wishes to support, encourage, or empower a sinner in his sin is acting unbiblically. <br />It seems to me there are several factors that contribute to the improper response of people we would normally consider to be solid Christians.<br />First, this seems to be an attempt to gain the world’s approval by following the current <i>zeitgeist</i> that LGBTQ and other “social justice” issues need to be addressed in a world-pleasing, as opposed to biblically obedient, manner and that these are somehow gospel issues. <br />Second, this is another manifestation of an easy-believism gospel. The thought would be if sin doesn’t need to be repented of to be saved, these people can be LGBTQ and still be a Christian.<br />Third, this seems to be an overreaction to the horrible ways Christians have treated LBGTQ people. The pendulum has swung too far in the opposite direction. It’s gone from all justice with no love, to all love with no justice. Christians used to, almost gleefully, only tell homosexuals the bad news for them from the Bible. Now some people are attempting to give them only the good news. This of course will not make sense without the context of contrasting the good news with the bad news, they both are required. <br />Fourth, and probably the most problematic for me, is the idea that being LGBTQ, and continuing to identify that way, is somehow acceptable for a Christian. It would say this sin (if it is even a sin) needs to be managed, not mortified. In this view, inordinate desires, if not acted upon, are not sinful. Allowing someone to wallow in his sin in any fashion is abetting his being a suppressor (Rom 1:18) which will not help him see his need for a savior. I doubt that the people sponsoring this conference are concerned with helping LGBTQ’s come to Christ but instead are giving approval to LGBTQ’s (Rom 1:32).<br />The sad thing is that this conference and the broader ideas behind it will not help achieve its goal of helping ease the pain of the LGBTQ sinner because it doesn’t address the real need of these people. They need to be saved from their sins. Telling them they are Christians when they aren’t makes the job even harder. False converts are some of the hardest people to get to listen to the real gospel. These sinners are experiencing the judgment of their sin and helping them to continue in it will only increase the problems here and in eternity. Only by showing these people the true gospel will they be helped. Justification eliminates condemnation. Sanctification empowered by the Spirit will lead to deliverance from the sin and its problems here on earth. Looking forward to one’s eventual glorification will bring peace. That is the message they need to hear.Keithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04337862013519749904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-47458013766283174192018-05-31T16:36:29.960-07:002018-05-31T16:36:29.960-07:00About 8-9 years ago I was in the Church of the Naz...About 8-9 years ago I was in the Church of the Nazarene denomination. As a denomination they have been just about gutted by emergent teaching and thinking. The denominational leaders would occasionally put out a statement concerning homosexuality and homosexual desire. One of them a few years back had some really bizarre stuff in it such as basically encouraging those with this issue, along with others, to essentially form a commune (although it wasn't said using that word), where they could give each other emotional and spiritual support. What could possibly go wrong??? <br /><br />Here is a quote from a statement published in December, 2015:<br /><br />Our biblical and theological understanding of sin suggests that it is both personal and corporate. We personally choose to sin and are responsible/accountable to God for the willful choices that we make. Sexual orientation is not usually a willful choice. (Can the heterosexual point to a time they chose their sexual orientation?) It is amoral, neither moral nor immoral. Sexual behavior is a moral choice. Scripture clearly addresses homosexual behavior, but does not address homosexual orientation. Choosing not to say<br />more than Scripture, you notice that the Manual of the Church of the Nazarene and the Official Statement of the Board of General Superintendents makes a clear distinction between behavior and orientation. One is sinful, the other is not. <br /><br />Very sad, and this is coming from a denomination that considers itself a "holiness" denomination. Anyway, this sort of thinking has been a part of that denomination for a decade or more.Mike Yoncehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13722680893859630778noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-13080476254158719132018-05-31T16:05:11.279-07:002018-05-31T16:05:11.279-07:00on bold display at Hollywood United Methodist &quo...on bold display at Hollywood United Methodist "Church" is this banner on their website dedicating the month of June to perversion...and this is "progressive"? progressing down to the pit of hell ! https://hollywoodumc.org/pride/Nepenthehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11530406939166238133noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-84604492089802483292018-05-31T08:56:54.027-07:002018-05-31T08:56:54.027-07:00And the Lord said unto Moses, saying, If her fathe...And the Lord said unto Moses, saying, If her father had but spit in her face, should she not be ashamed 7 days! The Lord made a whip and he went into the temple, kicking over tables and he cleared it of transgressors! I think the kindness or charity of some Christians is grossly misplaced. Don't candy coat it! I watched someone I loved deeply die of HIV/AIDS over the 2 years he suffered till he was a skeleton stretched over with festering skin at under 100 lbs.3 days before he died I rushed into his hospital room elated to inform him I was going to be a father with my first child Hannah. His immediate response was "so what"! It still hadn't dawned on me yet he was actually going to die. That response stopped me as I looked into his face and now recognize as the death glaze in his eyes. He was so weak he didn't have the strength to flip the blanket over his exposed leg, where his knee was the biggest part of his whole leg! He stopped trying and focused on me and said "David, I just want you to know that I realize I'm dying because of a choice I made to be gay"! That affirmation was because of the discussions we had rgarding what the Bible says about homosexuality! He could only have made that omission after having suffered, and suffering grievously, and considering Romans 1:27. Sixteen of Tommy's buddies followed him in death. Many I had met and knew personally! GAY became an acronym for Got Aids Yet! And the plural S stands for Stupid or Silly or Shit or all three! He also taught me the 2 bloody sh_tty condome won't protect a couple of a-holed from anything! But most of all he demonstrated to me that God is a most Dread Sovereign and greatly to be feared!!! I think a lot of this so-called Christian charity is a whitewashed form of spiritual pride and too few today have the balls to call it what it is in the language the world understands. I am a man of unclean lips too, but then the Lord did say he would use the base things and things dispised too. I fit into that base category maybe more than I should. Excellent article Phil but we shouldn't be afraid to call it the filthy degenerate perversion that it is and follow up with a sound and solid discription of Hell!!!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08546158254904049549noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-22373744523861817262018-05-31T06:13:17.592-07:002018-05-31T06:13:17.592-07:00Perhaps even more troubling than the damage this t...Perhaps even more troubling than the damage this trend may cause to people and to God's glory, is the fact that it motivated by unwitting acquiescence to the spirit of the age.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06170659757090223316noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-67028681229812597772018-05-30T21:52:52.457-07:002018-05-30T21:52:52.457-07:00It's really simple. Our desire for God must be...It's really simple. Our desire for God must be greater than the desires for ourselves. After all, His desire for us lead Him to give up His only begotten Son. What are we really giving to God to reciprocate this love? Simply not my will but Your will be done, on earth as it is in Heaven. Great article Phil. Joe Phamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03807453304759887017noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-81307614954100655322018-05-30T21:49:25.893-07:002018-05-30T21:49:25.893-07:00We must guard our hearts against all attractions, ...We must guard our hearts against all attractions, even heterosexual ones. If we entertain these attractions and desires, we are giving it life. Don't give sin life. Joe Phamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03807453304759887017noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-34051773167709192932018-05-30T21:05:44.303-07:002018-05-30T21:05:44.303-07:00What about the “B”?
First - Thanks Phil for a cle...What about the “B”?<br /><br />First - Thanks Phil for a clear and rational explanation of the issue. This is THE ISSUE that will separate brethren and worse in the months, years and GA’s ahead of us. I have been convinced for a long time the Achilles heel of the “sexual minority” neutrality debate is the “B”. The “B” by its definition and inclusion by “progressives” in the ever changing alphabet soup of the recent sexually identified professed believer can never be justified even though not acted upon. The desire / proclivity must be repented of and forsaken of no matter what. The excuse of neutrality has no bearing here... no matter what the sinful attraction is it brings with it offense because the terms change at will. If the attraction is M to M today, M to FM tomorrow or M to M&F together the following day - the only answer biblically has to be repentance of the perverse “attraction”. Which by the way is the answer every time... What Christian should ever want to be labled with a category of sin that Christ died to redeem you from? Welcome back you voice has been missed in this venue...Mark Trigstedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11089805590778177083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-74510143891168947192018-05-30T20:20:16.925-07:002018-05-30T20:20:16.925-07:00Phil, thank you for the post. My quandry now is wh...Phil, thank you for the post. My quandry now is what to do with these “gospel centric” groups (TGC and even T4G) that are seemingly abandoning the gospel to advance “gospel implications” like social justice and now this. Do we abandon them? Do we seek to reform them? Are their more conservative leaders (Mohler, MacArthur, Duncan) working to reform them? What say you?hickphilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01233138991070952114noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-54157512717077026742018-05-30T18:41:35.567-07:002018-05-30T18:41:35.567-07:00I think the key overlooked bible verse in the enti...I think the key overlooked bible verse in the entire gay (both male and female varieties) discussion is 2 Timothy 3:1-2a "But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. 2 People will be lovers of themselves, NIV.<br /><br />Gay men and gay women are not attracted to the same sex. They are attracted to themselves. They love themselves so much they want to have sex with themselves and spend all their time, money, energy, creativity, passion, etc. etc. on someone who looks just like themselves. Homosexuality is a mirror.<br /><br />It sometimes goes so far that gay "couples" look like siblings especially older men being with a young man who looks like their younger self.<br /><br />The gay men I have talked to said in all honesty there is almost no downside to being gay. You can have sex everyday, multiple times, you can spend all your money on yourself, you always have lots of "friends" who want the same thing you do, you can travel, wear expensive clothes, eat out all the time. The only downside is that gays are not accepted as normal. That is the one thing only heterosexuals can bestow on homosexuals, "normalcy". That is what they are trying to sell at these infernal conferences & with degenerate ministries that ignore scripture and elevate lustful feelings and fleshly desires.<br /><br />The bottom line is the homosexual sin that needs to be repented of is not same sex attraction. The sin to be repented of is 2 Timothy 2a "being a lover of themselves"<br />So Repent, Believe the Gospel, Love God First & others more than yourself and live. That needs to be the message preached at every one these conferences going forward.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08061382932419723858noreply@blogger.com