tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post7961633602723089415..comments2024-03-10T10:40:32.319-07:00Comments on Pyromaniacs: Book review — Proverbs: a Mentor Commentary, by John A. KitchenPhil Johnsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00649092052031518426noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-69171069608596706012008-02-18T11:16:00.000-08:002008-02-18T11:16:00.000-08:00This was an especially helpful review and instruct...This was an especially helpful review and instructional on writing a commentary. Thanks!K. Elijah Layfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03326254934309723979noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-17408059746433887612008-02-13T23:11:00.000-08:002008-02-13T23:11:00.000-08:00For most of my academic life (not very lofty-I've ...For most of my academic life (not very lofty-I've just been a student often!) I have been used to employing the Harvard system of referencing, where authors are cited clearly throughout the text. For example, 'Birchall (2004) believes that...' or 'Trees are green and there is on denying it'(Brown, 2005). The full citations are then given in a list at the end of the text (presumably like endnotes). I actually find footnotes much more intrusive, probably because I have become accustomed to the Harvard system. <BR/><BR/>Sorry, no spiritual wisdom to offer here, but I do enjoy following the discussions here.Poetresshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02387285855769130334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-66177510154020284922008-02-13T13:03:00.000-08:002008-02-13T13:03:00.000-08:00Dan:The Christian and Missionary Alliance started ...Dan:<BR/><BR/>The Christian and Missionary Alliance started in the 19th century as a non-denominational parachurch missions agency, founded by Albert B. Simpson, a Canadian Presbyterian minister. It was in its genesis an organization for like-minded believers from different churches to support overseas missions. Over the years, it morphed into a church. There's a brief history <A HREF="http://www.cmalliance.org/whoweare/whoweare-past.jsp" REL="nofollow">here</A>, that includes a link to a PDF chronology.<BR/><BR/>The C & MA has done a lot of work in East Asia over the decades, and my first real, fruitful contact with evangelical Christians was when God led me to a Bible study group of Chinese Canadian believers from a C & MA church.<BR/><BR/>Their distinctives include <A HREF="http://www.cmalliance.org/whoweare/distinctives/baptism.doc" REL="nofollow">believers' baptism</A>. They are <A HREF="http://www.cmalliance.org/whoweare/distinctives/spiritual_gifts.pdf" REL="nofollow">continuationist</A>, but conservatively so, and decidedly not Charismatic. Their <A HREF="http://www.cmalliance.org/whoweare/doctrine.jsp" REL="nofollow">Doctrinal Statement</A> upholds the exclusivity of Christ, His work of substitutionary atonement, and salvation by grace through faith in Him, but seems to affirm unlimited atonement.Stefan Ewinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05530690016594029847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-48576499321089339212008-02-13T04:33:00.000-08:002008-02-13T04:33:00.000-08:00I certainly don't mean to be unreasonably harsh. N...I certainly don't mean to be unreasonably harsh. Not every book can be like an older T&T Clark volume. But, with modern software being what it is, I don't think there'd be any extra cost to check the box that says "footnotes" instead of "endnotes," and do a bit of editing. That'd be a start.<BR/><BR/>As I say, it's worth having as-is; it just makes one long for those touches that would raise it a notch or two.DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-61733540901530119332008-02-13T02:39:00.000-08:002008-02-13T02:39:00.000-08:00Difficult to be too harsh on Christian Focus - the...Difficult to be too harsh on Christian Focus - they are a UK publisher on a really tight budget and that often shows - my fellow elder here, Eric Lane, wrote their <A HREF="http://www.christianfocus.com/item/show/645/-/sr_1" REL="nofollow">Focus commentary on Proverbs</A> (a more basic commentary for the average guy) so I know something about their work process. It is not unusual to pick up a CF book with poor typeset, mistakes and typos throughout. I have come to learn that for a UK publisher to publish at all (in a relatively small evangelical market) means some nice to haves just aren't there - I imagine this is the case with some of the notes arrangements and editing etc. Good, coherent review. I shall add this one to my library.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-45592611277644204742008-02-12T23:32:00.000-08:002008-02-12T23:32:00.000-08:00"did my Master’s thesis on Proverbs"Have you ever ..."did my Master’s thesis on Proverbs"<BR/><BR/>Have you ever heard of Amenemope? <BR/><BR/>"To this fantasy..." Understated. I like it.<BR/><BR/>"This is a minority position" Re-read that statement and consider some of the "minority" positions you are against--make that meanly against. Oh wait, you can't because, "I think that it is the best respectful response to the actual data." Wow. Linguistically well played, thinking on the other hand gets a firm kick to the nuts. Your "conception" of actual data is quite aggressive and entertaining I'm sure.<BR/><BR/>After Proverbs you can present us with your work on how there is no differences between Samuel, Kings, and Chronicles.<BR/><BR/>Let modern, rationalistic, Enlightenment thinking, with a spirit influenced by Hobbes commence:Yeshuahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00344118658947975166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-40113043304321678782008-02-12T20:16:00.000-08:002008-02-12T20:16:00.000-08:00That’s a great idea. I may just have to steal it.m...<I>That’s a great idea. I may just have to steal it.</I><BR/><BR/>more info than you'll want to know, but I feel like typing it anyway :)<BR/><BR/>It started because one night I got so frustrated with my two oldest boys that I stopped our daily devotions, put them in bed (they were 4 and 2 at the time) and made them lay quietly while I read Psalm 119 to them. All 176 verses.<BR/><BR/>The next night, they wanted more. Since we do a Psalm in our daily devotions, I decided to read them a Proverb. Now they won't go to bed without it.<BR/><BR/>So Soli Deo Gloria for using my frustration to produce a tradition like this.<BR/><BR/>And as for the internet problem, I highly recommend a phone that can be tethered to your laptop for internet. Very handy...or at least a phone you can type on (Motorla Q9, Treo, etc). PDAnet plus such a phone means internet access anywhere but the boonies.VcdeChagnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09061295600050633057noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-68353710329183812262008-02-12T13:50:00.000-08:002008-02-12T13:50:00.000-08:00Dan has sure been having internet troubles lately....Dan has sure been having internet troubles lately. I think the baldness causes internet wave refraction. Or something like that.<BR/><BR/>Don't worry Dan, I'm catching up quickly in that dept.S.J. Walkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15922550763548455625noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-3393688063094075792008-02-12T11:28:00.000-08:002008-02-12T11:28:00.000-08:00Dan is trapped in an internet vortex at work which...<I>Dan is trapped in an internet vortex at work which is forcing him to post via proxy (me), so while the avatar is mine, the comments below are Dan's. --cent</I><BR/><BR/><B>VcdeChagn – “This is my writing style. I have to constantly try to keep it in check and rewrite sentences”</B><BR/><BR/>Ditto, which may be why I’m sensitive to it.<BR/> <BR/>Most trenchant remark about my writing-style was made by a college student a couple of decades ago: “You write like you talk.” It was both a compliment and a criticism. The parenthetical asides are part of that. (BTW there’s another writer I respect immensely who also fights the battle of the parentheses.) <I>[I know you people don’t believe this, but Dan means me -- cent]</I><BR/> <BR/><B>“I read a proverb to my sons (I have no daughters) every night before bed and have been doing so for about a year.”</B><BR/> <BR/>That’s a great idea. I may just have to steal it.<BR/> <BR/><B>Fred Butler – “In your opinion, if I had to pick up three commentaries on Proverbs, which ones would be the best? If just one, which one should I absolutely have on my self.”</B><BR/> <BR/>That’s hard. I have to ask, “For what purpose?”<BR/> <BR/>For the pastor, I’d say…hmm. Well, I’d say Kidner, Waltke, and Bridgeskitchen.<BR/> <BR/>Okay, that’s cheating, but it’s hard. Kidner, Waltke… and Kitchen. But then I’d say try to get Bridges, too. (You can online for free; search “Bridges for free” on Pyro)<BR/> <BR/>If only one… you’re killing me. Again, for a pastor, I suppose Waltke. But I love me some Kidner, a lot.<BR/> <BR/>For anyone else, Kidner.<BR/> <BR/><B>Judah – “Have you done any graduate work in wisdom literature, Hebrew, or ANE literature?”</B><BR/> <BR/>Yes. MDiv is in OT, taught Beginning and Advanced Hebrew and Old Testament Theology at Talbot Theological Seminary, did my Master’s thesis on Proverbs, have taught poetical books at two other institutions.<BR/> <BR/><B>Donn – “Great analogy. I will be forwarding it on to [Jay Adams]. Blessings!”</B><BR/> <BR/>Ouch. I will prepare to be (severely) nouthetized!<BR/> <BR/>(c:<BR/> <BR/><B>Drew – “Why, in this computer age, does ANYBODY do endnotes? …I really hate endnotes”</B><BR/> <BR/>I have said exactly the same. It is simply inconceivable to me. People who don’t want them, don’t have to look at them. People who do are irritatingly inconvenienced. Footnotes do not lower a book’s usefulness for non-footnote-readers; endnotes really lower usefulness to those who do read them.<BR/> <BR/><B>S.J. Walker – “…I'll take all the endnotes out of all my old notes and papers from college, just for you Dan”</B><BR/> <BR/>Now THAT’S what I’m TALKIN’ ‘bout.FX Turkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16798420127955373559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-76294655341209146382008-02-12T08:09:00.000-08:002008-02-12T08:09:00.000-08:00Aside from your own forthcoming contribution, what...Aside from your own forthcoming contribution, what do you think are the best commentaries on Proverbs, especially those that do the best job of explaining the idiomatic expressions?MSChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05419145542442539462noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-58090845505035388482008-02-12T07:39:00.000-08:002008-02-12T07:39:00.000-08:00And I'll take all the endnotes out of all my old n...And I'll take all the endnotes out of all my old notes and papers from college, just for you Dan.S.J. Walkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15922550763548455625noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-41603570238209193332008-02-12T07:38:00.000-08:002008-02-12T07:38:00.000-08:00Thanks Dan,I'll definitely look this up. BTW, that...Thanks Dan,<BR/><BR/>I'll definitely look this up. <BR/><BR/>BTW, that last graphic was...precious.S.J. Walkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15922550763548455625noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-5799800908028928732008-02-12T07:16:00.000-08:002008-02-12T07:16:00.000-08:00Why, in this computer age, does ANYBODY do endnote...Why, in this computer age, does ANYBODY do endnotes? That was my number one complaint with the latest McLaren book, too. I know you have bigger complaints about McL, but a hatred of endnotes, that is our common ground, for now. <BR/><BR/>I really hate endnotes.Drewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08284171572883616668noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-55015394569913046422008-02-12T07:13:00.000-08:002008-02-12T07:13:00.000-08:00Dan, I would never read a theology-heavy book like...Dan, I would never read a theology-heavy book like this one, but you're such a great guy I just can't keep from commenting! Somebody stop me!<BR/><BR/>I used to say that at Pyro, one could read about everything but the Kitchen's Ink, and now you've thrown that in, too!Nash Equilibriumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06528684112014026512noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-77801091448526275832008-02-12T07:03:00.000-08:002008-02-12T07:03:00.000-08:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.David A. Carlsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00465387359523299616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-70965398324472152642008-02-12T06:28:00.000-08:002008-02-12T06:28:00.000-08:00Thanks Dan,You are right about SOME of Jay's books...Thanks Dan,<BR/><BR/>You are right about SOME of Jay's books but in his defense, your observation is true largely of his earlier books, especially his book on divorce. I believe you will find that he has improved over the years. I have been urging him to publish revised editions of several of his books for years but he has so much more he wants to write that going back over something he has already done does not appeal to him.<BR/><BR/>Great analogy. I will be forwarding it on to him. Blessings!Donn R Armshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02853806166887995321noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-81181819164033427012008-02-12T06:16:00.000-08:002008-02-12T06:16:00.000-08:00Have you done any graduate work in wisdom literatu...Have you done any graduate work in wisdom literature, Hebrew, or ANE literature?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-53049998869975769562008-02-12T05:32:00.000-08:002008-02-12T05:32:00.000-08:00Hey Dan,I have been meaning to email you this ques...Hey Dan,<BR/>I have been meaning to email you this question:<BR/>In your opinion, if I had to pick up three commentaries on Proverbs, which ones would be the best?<BR/>If just one, which one should I absolutely have on my self.<BR/><BR/>FredFred Butlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16025967176465685306noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-81445476377893434272008-02-12T05:20:00.000-08:002008-02-12T05:20:00.000-08:00Well, if you're planning on having footnotes with ...Well, if you're planning on having footnotes with your volume, I'm definitely buying it.<BR/><BR/>I'm definitely a fan of footnotes.Kimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02288648996304246570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-11393818777723158792008-02-12T05:00:00.000-08:002008-02-12T05:00:00.000-08:00Adams indulges in a (rather overwhelming) wild add...<I>Adams indulges in a (rather overwhelming) wild addiction (which can't be overlooked) to the constant (and unnecessary) overuse (and abuse) of parenthetical remarks (—which sometimes threaten to outnumber the non-parenthetical words in any given sentence!).</I><BR/><BR/>This is my writing style. I have to constantly try to keep it in check and rewrite sentences.<BR/><BR/>Great review. My reading list is so overwhelmingly full, but this book might have to be added. <BR/><BR/>I read a proverb to my sons (I have no daughters) every night before bed and have been doing so for about a year.<BR/><BR/>As I go through them, I come across little points that I need to look up. I think reading a whole commentary would be beneficial.<BR/><BR/>Only one parentheses in the entire post...whewVcdeChagnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09061295600050633057noreply@blogger.com