tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post921215930991249733..comments2024-03-10T10:40:32.319-07:00Comments on Pyromaniacs: Buncha StuffPhil Johnsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00649092052031518426noreply@blogger.comBlogger54125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-62975070599895580262008-06-30T17:31:00.000-07:002008-06-30T17:31:00.000-07:00Looking at that package of squid or whatever it wa...Looking at that package of squid or whatever it was reminds me of an old "Uncle Creepy" or "Cousin Eerie" magazine I saw when in my early teens. One of the stories involved a young man who was briefly zombiefied, and came to himself as he was dining on handfuls of intestines from a human corpse of some kind. Of course, he screamed in horror but couldn't stop eating. <BR/><BR/>Ever since then, I have not been able to handle "exotic foods" of any type. My closest call came when in Russia and I mistook sturgeon eggs for orange jello. I almost spit them out all over the guy's head in front of me on the plane. <BR/><BR/>Yeah, I know..prolly too much information. But that package photo really was nauseating. You must have a truly cast iron stomach.Solameaniehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09869424956571944997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-1318717975614766662008-06-30T07:55:00.000-07:002008-06-30T07:55:00.000-07:00gdmajayWatching Congress on CSPAN, Bush ANY time —...gdmajayWatching Congress on CSPAN, Bush ANY time — hey!, a “theocracy” is looking better every day! Visit us, pls, and comment. I dare you...<BR/><BR/>John Lofton, Editor<BR/>TheAmericanView.com<BR/>JLof@aol.comJohn Lofton, Recovering Republicanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15687524008871521220noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-34284757112792276502008-06-29T23:12:00.000-07:002008-06-29T23:12:00.000-07:00Thanks for the Piper link at the top of this post....Thanks for the Piper link at the top of this post. I once read the following related thought:<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://books.google.com/books?id=JIQcAAAAMAAJ&pg=RA1-PA283&dq=knowledge+gained+casts+a+light+beyond" REL="nofollow">"Knowledge once gained casts a light beyond its own immediate boundaries."</A>Tony Byrnehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02102293843397809802noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-44599184539792053252008-06-28T12:41:00.000-07:002008-06-28T12:41:00.000-07:00Seriously: Either get back to the subjects dealt w...Seriously: Either get back to the subjects dealt with in the above post, or stop commenting altogether, or I'll close comments on this post and and issue the necessary ban[s].<BR/><BR/>Please see the rules in the right sidebar of the main page if theres any lack of clarity about what kind of comments are appropriate here or not.<BR/><BR/>Thanks.Phil Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00649092052031518426noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-48136314982589284732008-06-28T12:11:00.000-07:002008-06-28T12:11:00.000-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09456884689908680100noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-49571108268426210882008-06-28T10:23:00.000-07:002008-06-28T10:23:00.000-07:00Thanks, Mike R. Well said.We'll consider that rabb...Thanks, Mike R. Well said.<BR/><BR/>We'll consider that rabbit-trail closed, and perhaps we'll deal with it more fully in a future post.<BR/><BR/>On-topic comments are still welcome, but there's no need to drag out the discussion of anonymous-Mike's unwarranted dichotomy between love for Christ and love for His Word.Phil Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00649092052031518426noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-2997853263852069142008-06-28T10:12:00.000-07:002008-06-28T10:12:00.000-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09456884689908680100noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-74970130322762812912008-06-28T09:12:00.000-07:002008-06-28T09:12:00.000-07:00Phil,Feel free to delete this too. Just couldn't h...Phil,<BR/><BR/>Feel free to delete this too. Just couldn't help it.<BR/><BR/><B>Mike:</B> <I>I never said the Bible is not God's Word.</I><BR/><BR/><B>Mike's previous post:</B> <I>He loved the word... not the Bible. There's a difference.</I><BR/><BR/>Seems pretty clear. According to you, the Bible <> God's Word.<BR/><BR/>Saying we can't love Scripture because we love Christ is setting up a false dichotomy. Listen to Edwards on this:<BR/><BR/>The ultimate end (in our example, Jesus) is always superior to its subordinate end (in our example, the Bible), and more valued by the agent, <B><I>unless it be when the ultimate end entirely depends on the subordinate.</B></I> If he has no other means by which to obtain his [ultimate] end, then the subordinate may be as much valued as the [ultimate] end; because the [ultimate] end, in such a case, altogether depends upon, and is wholly and certainly conveyed by it.<BR/><BR/>As for instance, if a pregnant woman has a peculiar appetite to a certain rare fruit that is to be found only in the garden of a particular friend of hers, at a distance--and she goes a journey to her friend's house or garden, to obtained that fruit--the ultimate end of her journey is to gratify that strong appetite; the obtaining that fruit, is the subordinate end of it. <BR/><BR/>If she looks upon it, that the appetite can be gratified by <I>no other means</I> than the obtaining of that fruit; and that it will <I>certainly</I> be gratified if she obtain it, then she will value the fruit <I><B>as much</I></B> as she values the gratification of her appetite. (Edwards, The End for Which God Created the World. <I>Works</I>, 2005, Hendrickson. Vol 1, p. 96.)<BR/>---<BR/><BR/>So if I know that the Bible -- though subordinate to Christ Himself -- is my only means of getting to Christ Himself, I will value the Bible (the subordinate end) as much as I value Christ (the ultimate end). <BR/><BR/>And plus, to try to separate Christ from His word is just ridiculous.Mike Riccardihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06748453197783538367noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-72118105327459112492008-06-28T08:12:00.000-07:002008-06-28T08:12:00.000-07:00OK, Don. :)OK, Don. :)Mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09456884689908680100noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-87984439489046863902008-06-28T08:04:00.000-07:002008-06-28T08:04:00.000-07:00"My treasure is Jesus and His presence, not the Bi..."My treasure is Jesus and His presence, not the Bible."<BR/><BR/>I love Christ and the Bible. I love to read, study, and ponder on the Holy Scriptures.<BR/><BR/>"I will worship toward Your holy Temple, and praise Your name for Your lovingkindness and for Your truth: for You have magnified Your Word above all Your name." Psalm 138:2<BR/><BR/>"We should observe, secondly, in these verses, the high honour that Jesus Christ puts on the Holy Scriptures. ...having quoted the text, He [Jesus] lays down the great principle, "the Scripture cannot be broken." It is though He said, "Wherever the Scriptures speaks plainly on any subject, there can be no more question about it. The cause is settled and decided. Every jot and tittle of Scripture is true, and must be received as conclusive."<BR/>The principle here laid down by our Lord is one of vast importance. Let us grasp it firmly, and never let it go. Let us maintain boldly the complete inspiration of every word of the original Hebrew and Greek Scriptures. Let us believe that not only every book of the Bible, but every chapter,--and not only every chapter, but every verse,--and not only every verse, but every word, was originally given by inspiration of God. .... Let us stand our ground manfully, and defend the principle of plenary inspiration as we would the 'Aplle of our Eye. ... and say, "I cannot give up a single word of my Bible. All Scripture is given by inspiration of God. The Scipture cannot be broken." -Bishop JC Ryle<BR/><BR/>I don't want to keep this discussion going if Phil doesn't want to, but I felt I needed to respond to mike.<BR/>If you need to delete this I understand.<BR/>But I say no more on this .donsandshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03665794015011057098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-2132294104405061772008-06-28T07:10:00.000-07:002008-06-28T07:10:00.000-07:00Your denial that the Bible is God's Word is not me...<I>Your denial that the Bible is God's Word is not merely egregiously wrong;</I><BR/><BR/>Well, Phil, again you're presumptuous, arent you? I never said the Bible is not God's Word. :)Mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09456884689908680100noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-49002874490865892812008-06-28T07:05:00.000-07:002008-06-28T07:05:00.000-07:00Mike:Your denial that the Bible is God's Word is n...<B>Mike:</B><BR/><BR/>Your denial that the Bible is God's Word is not merely egregiously wrong; it's completely off-topic. Please take it elsewhere.Phil Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00649092052031518426noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-70399184222853217752008-06-28T06:49:00.000-07:002008-06-28T06:49:00.000-07:00Please explain.Well, if you'd look at the AV1611 s...<I>Please explain.</I><BR/><BR/>Well, if you'd look at the AV1611 site where they put too much emphasis on the KJV, you'd understand, I think, the extent some people go towards bibliolatry. <BR/><BR/>There's nothing wrong with having knowledge, just don't put emphasis on it more than knowing Jesus.<BR/><BR/>That's far, far better.Mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09456884689908680100noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-13561737619549885872008-06-28T06:41:00.000-07:002008-06-28T06:41:00.000-07:00As a response to the "Friday Bonus":(Rom 11:33) O...As a response to the "Friday Bonus":<BR/><BR/>(Rom 11:33) O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!<BR/><BR/>(Job 9:10 in context) Which doeth great things past finding out; yea, and wonders without number.Mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09456884689908680100noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-61339284839362249102008-06-28T06:28:00.000-07:002008-06-28T06:28:00.000-07:00Please explain.Please explain.greglonghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05514850772020363684noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-18739768492106424232008-06-28T06:01:00.000-07:002008-06-28T06:01:00.000-07:00Hmmm...Mike, the Psalmist sure didn't share your p...<I>Hmmm...Mike, the Psalmist sure didn't share your perspective.</I><BR/><BR/>He loved the word... not the Bible. ;) There's a difference.Mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09456884689908680100noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-64239137082361167342008-06-28T05:23:00.000-07:002008-06-28T05:23:00.000-07:00Mike wrote:[QUOTE[The Bible is a treasure to us. T...Mike wrote:<BR/><BR/>[QUOTE[<BR/><I>The Bible is a treasure to us. The Bible is the truth.</I><BR/><BR/>Not me. :) My treasure is Jesus and His presence, not the Bible.<BR/>[/QUOTE]<BR/><BR/>Hmmm...Mike, the Psalmist sure didn't share your perspective.<BR/><BR/>Ps 119<BR/><BR/>14 I have rejoiced in the way of Your testimonies,<BR/>As much as in all riches. <BR/>15 I will meditate on Your precepts,<BR/>And contemplate Your ways. <BR/>16 I will delight myself in Your statutes;<BR/>I will not forget Your word. <BR/><BR/>72 The law of Your mouth is better to me <BR/>Than thousands of coins of gold and silver. <BR/><BR/>97 Oh, how I love Your law!<BR/>It is my meditation all the day. <BR/><BR/>103 How sweet are Your words to my taste,<BR/>Sweeter than honey to my mouth! <BR/><BR/>127 Therefore I love Your commandments <BR/>More than gold, yes, than fine gold! <BR/><BR/>162 I rejoice at Your word <BR/>As one who finds great treasure. <BR/><BR/>174 I long for Your salvation, O LORD,<BR/>And Your law is my delight. <BR/><BR/>Ps 19:7-10<BR/><BR/>7 The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul;<BR/>The testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple; <BR/>8 The statutes of the LORD are right, rejoicing the heart;<BR/>The commandment of the LORD is pure, enlightening the eyes; <BR/>9 The fear of the LORD is clean, enduring forever;<BR/>The judgments of the LORD are true and righteous altogether. <BR/>10 More to be desired are they than gold,<BR/>Yea, than much fine gold;<BR/>Sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb.greglonghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05514850772020363684noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-84133653152615783562008-06-27T21:51:00.000-07:002008-06-27T21:51:00.000-07:00The Bible is a treasure to us. The Bible is the tr...<I>The Bible is a treasure to us. The Bible is the truth. </I><BR/><BR/>Not me. :) My treasure is Jesus and His presence, not the Bible.<BR/><BR/>And the Bible is not the truth. :)<BR/>The <I>Word is truth,</I> and not "<B>the</B> truth".<BR/><BR/>Semantics, I know, but there's a difference. I don't do obeisance to my Bible. I read it, and I get into God's presence in prayer.Mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09456884689908680100noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-38347416722790575042008-06-27T20:21:00.000-07:002008-06-27T20:21:00.000-07:00" ..true learning increases both knowledge and mys..." ..true learning increases both knowledge and mystery. The more knowledge we have of God from the Bible, the more mysteries we apprehend."<BR/><BR/>John Piper is such a fine teacher.<BR/><BR/> The Bible is a treasure to us. The Bible is the truth. <BR/><BR/>Without the Bible, how would the Body of Christ know it was the Body of Christ.donsandshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03665794015011057098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-52354822456390751192008-06-27T20:15:00.000-07:002008-06-27T20:15:00.000-07:00Oh YEAH! Thanks for that link to Piper's blog. You...Oh YEAH! Thanks for that link to Piper's blog. You're right, he really does nail it.<BR/><BR/>One gets the feeling that "mystery lovers" want to keep it that way because it allows them to worship an amorphous God, one who is not all that hung up on doctrine and accountability and junk like that.James Scott Bellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07641370124346172648noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-64521244723932779392008-06-27T16:49:00.000-07:002008-06-27T16:49:00.000-07:00Let us know next time you'll be in town!Let us know next time you'll be in town!Pam Glasshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00018630832631295110noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-62962896603276651612008-06-27T13:53:00.000-07:002008-06-27T13:53:00.000-07:00Candy: I think it's a one-way identification. I c...Candy: I think it's a one-way identification. I can't imagine the kind of reception a touchy-feely emergent type would get, preaching to—sorry, conversing with—to born-again believers in Laos or Nigeria.Stefan Ewinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05530690016594029847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-4692454292826766682008-06-27T13:49:00.000-07:002008-06-27T13:49:00.000-07:00Stefan: I thought the Emergent folks identified mo...Stefan: I thought the Emergent folks identified most with disenfranchised folks from the third world. Plus the third world has such cool clothing! I see it as the Christian parallel to the guy from <I>Into The Wild</I>. You know. Not happy with his parent's wealth, gonna rebel against the establishment, go live in the gentle wilderness. Get back to what is real. Died cuz he had no idea what he was getting into and didn't bother to do his research.candyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06088593538648596769noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-31642507402443138932008-06-27T13:22:00.000-07:002008-06-27T13:22:00.000-07:00Y'know, you do some really good drive-by posts!Y'know, you do some really good drive-by posts!~Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01819856178499938127noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-71391723309711780022008-06-27T13:20:00.001-07:002008-06-27T13:20:00.001-07:00Phil: Thank you! You've made my weekend. That gr...<B>Phil:</B> Thank you! You've made my weekend. That graphic is awesome.Stefan Ewinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05530690016594029847noreply@blogger.com