tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post998084738865376291..comments2024-03-10T10:40:32.319-07:00Comments on Pyromaniacs: Two radically different ways of thinking, and their causePhil Johnsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00649092052031518426noreply@blogger.comBlogger48125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-69662569778889880742010-07-17T19:51:58.243-07:002010-07-17T19:51:58.243-07:00Totally magnificent post Dan!
It's a great il...Totally magnificent post Dan!<br /><br />It's a great illustration of what christianity does and doesn't look like. Many folks seem to want Jesus as Savior - but definately not as Lord. How tragic.one busy momhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18087795055010641099noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-82585441669419302942010-07-17T19:51:20.056-07:002010-07-17T19:51:20.056-07:00Mike: I checked too because I thought that Rob mi...Mike: I checked too because I thought that Rob might be referring to a part of Mark. I didn't find Matt 5:31-31 in dispute at all not to mention there is a similar teaching in Matt 19.Aaronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15285043747501470199noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-81387535752520673132010-07-17T18:50:53.560-07:002010-07-17T18:50:53.560-07:00In Eggebroten's piece she wrote, "In Sun ...In Eggebroten's piece she wrote, "In Sun Valley, the sermon by Pastor John MacArthur, comparing the accounts of walking on water in different gospels, is excellent." Does anyone know where I can find that sermon online? I am worried that if Dr. MacArthur ever preached a sermon that did not offend this woman, then he must have been having an off day.Paul L.https://www.blogger.com/profile/11178872278117501101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-71346880084785911492010-07-16T09:03:54.582-07:002010-07-16T09:03:54.582-07:00Like a hammer.
Like a hammer to the head.
Dan just...Like a hammer.<br />Like a hammer to the head.<br />Dan just keeps on pounding and pounding.<br />And the hammer never misses the nail. Drives the point deeper and deeper.<br />Thanks Dan<br /><br />PS-my word verfication below is "foole". Somewhat close to appropriate?Larry Geigerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13158449612437822789noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-14214050270361975152010-07-16T00:31:10.399-07:002010-07-16T00:31:10.399-07:00Wow...a solidly Biblical church in 2010! What a co...Wow...a solidly Biblical church in 2010! What a concept! Thank God for men like John MacArthur and the elder board at GCC. <br />Hmmm...now which church, among those the Lord writes to in Revelation, does Grace Community Church best resemble??? (o: <br /><br />As for the hordes of "Christian" academics within "Christian" organizations (who are busy reinventing their own brands of Christless Christianity through their false gospels), I believe a more dreadful place in hell awaits such lost souls who devote their lives to using all they "know" to undermine the God of the Bible whom they do not truly know or love at all. I believe theirs will be a judgment far worse than rank pagans, as these men and women are likely church-going pagans with years of acquired head knowledge and exposure to the Word of God.Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01930864320573865515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-80891763271919100332010-07-15T21:29:51.216-07:002010-07-15T21:29:51.216-07:00Thanks for the link to Ms Eggebroten's article...Thanks for the link to Ms Eggebroten's article. I had read Al Mohler's post yesterday and wanted to see what she wrote. Interesting how she dismisses the pastoral epistles when they disagree with her. It looks like she not only wants her own way in her own life, but wants to insist Grace Community Church, the SBC, and everyone else do it her way too. <br /><br />BTW, I consulted my trusty NA27 <i>and</i>my J P Green TR interlinear and Matt 5: 31-32 is well supported throughout the manuscript evidence. It is not a disputed text. I know, I know: off--topic.mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00944721261850361610noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-67964203433355459572010-07-15T18:15:01.139-07:002010-07-15T18:15:01.139-07:00…Scripture "stands in need of redemption"...…Scripture "stands in need of redemption" <br /><br />…Scripture? Redemption from what and to what?<br /><br />That which is God-breathed, reliable, true, unchanging, pure, trustworthy, right, radiant, joy giving, soul reviving, sure, righteous, precious, sweet, enduring, making the simple wise, able to measure/judge/discern the thoughts and intentions of the heart, and so forth, needs to be humbly received; humbly received with hearts filled with gratitude, reverence, and awe toward our amazing, wonderful, Sovereign God and Saviour...<br /><br />You are QUITE! right when you note in your post:<br /><br />"…we need to be done with ourselves and our way of processing information as we were outside of Christ (Ephesians 4:22-24), and become renewed in the spirit of our minds (Romans 12:2)." ...amen!...mehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13138770527452248762noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-47547724768380242722010-07-15T17:38:25.907-07:002010-07-15T17:38:25.907-07:00Oh, that's good.Oh, that's good.DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-91940817763357814902010-07-15T17:33:29.639-07:002010-07-15T17:33:29.639-07:00Ya know, this whole interaction reminds me of a qu...Ya know, this whole interaction reminds me of a quote from Augustine that I came across a couple months back in one of my classes. It comes from <i>Against Faustus</i>, Faustus being one of the leader of the Manichees, a heresy to which Augustine had formerly subscribed. He said:<br /><br /><i>You ought to say plainly that you do not believe the gospel of Christ. For to believe what you please, and not to believe what you please, is to believe yourselves, and not the gospel</i>.<br /><br />I think that if you replace "gospel of Christ" with "Word of God," it fits entirely with the Eggbroten/Biologos gender/age-of-the-earth issues. I suppose that was precisely your "Everyone is an inerrantist" point. To believe what you please and not to believe what you please is to believe <b>yourself</b>, and not the Word of God.Mike Riccardihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06748453197783538367noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-2552375990796682152010-07-15T17:25:55.188-07:002010-07-15T17:25:55.188-07:00Unflinching. Unshrinking. Lucid. On point. You'...Unflinching. Unshrinking. Lucid. On point. You'll never win this argument because the premise something like, "How could a loving God ..." (fill in the blank from there). Ways of thinking, indeed. Apologetics fails here because there is no defense when they prefer darkness. I'm not judging, I'm just observing their trajectory. Where does that thinking lead?<br /><br />Nicely done, Dan.Dave ....https://www.blogger.com/profile/06340206720526412975noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-54872810031393886162010-07-15T16:24:16.563-07:002010-07-15T16:24:16.563-07:00I think I had Eggebroten at a church potluck once;...I think I had Eggebroten at a church potluck once; crusty, tart, no substance...Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10044277928052759074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-83600509090363815652010-07-15T15:29:20.187-07:002010-07-15T15:29:20.187-07:00After reading Mr. Sparks' article, it seems th...After reading Mr. Sparks' article, it seems the only parts of the scripture that are broken are the parts where God is just - and the parts he disagrees with. But, just like Dan pointed out, your view of scripture depends on where you start: God is inerrant, or man is inerrant.Webster Hunt (Parts Man)https://www.blogger.com/profile/04631846083790242392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-32686505078966205802010-07-15T13:49:23.974-07:002010-07-15T13:49:23.974-07:00Sure. After all, everyone's an inerrantist.
E...Sure. After all, <a href="http://teampyro.blogspot.com/2010/07/everyone-is-inerrantist.html" rel="nofollow">everyone's an inerrantist</a>.<br /><br />Even Dr. Sparks.DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-77345059614160382752010-07-15T13:47:11.256-07:002010-07-15T13:47:11.256-07:00Well, at least Dr. Sparks does accept the inerranc...Well, at least Dr. Sparks does accept the inerrancy of Dr. Sparks.Nash Equilibriumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06528684112014026512noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-15022945427134926602010-07-15T12:12:09.376-07:002010-07-15T12:12:09.376-07:00Jacob-
"best" as most reliable transcrip...Jacob-<br />"best" as most reliable transcripts. But, it is not merely a modern problem.Rob Baileyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10893938431904825170noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-62076077865072761282010-07-15T12:06:31.421-07:002010-07-15T12:06:31.421-07:00Excellent comment, Rachael, just excellent!Excellent comment, Rachael, just excellent!Mary Elizabeth Tylerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08915438088186414796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-904145860604848342010-07-15T11:32:02.075-07:002010-07-15T11:32:02.075-07:00Wow, spot-on, Dan. Fantastic post.Wow, spot-on, Dan. Fantastic post.Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10350390523818046990noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-70796011841086186502010-07-15T11:19:30.541-07:002010-07-15T11:19:30.541-07:00For all her intellectualistic posturing, Ms. Eggeb...For all her intellectualistic posturing, Ms. Eggebroten and her ilk demonstrate a complete lack of understanding about the nature of the Trinity. Was Jesus somehow diminished or downtrodden because He willingly submitted to His Father? Is the Holy Spirit marginalized from the Father and the Son because He is the Helper (John 14)? Submission is a way of reflecting the very nature of God.<br /><br />That being said, I have to confess it's disappointing that no one Ms. E talked to was able to make a defense of complementarianism from that perspective. (Would she have mentioned it if she did? Hmm, p'raps not.) But to be honest, I have heard of too many churches who teach it from that perspective. They're all about the whats and hows, but not the whys. The whys require things like a holistic approach to studying and teaching the Word, beginning with the One who wrote it and embodies it.<br /><br />Which is why, BTW, I love you gentlemen and especially posts like this - your compass always points to the true north of God's Word, not the magnetic north of man's opinion of God's Word.Rachael Starkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10781158372237369417noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-12096276808187330862010-07-15T11:01:19.425-07:002010-07-15T11:01:19.425-07:00{ stay-on-topic cop blows whistle }{ stay-on-topic cop blows whistle }DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-3758105430993286312010-07-15T10:52:33.059-07:002010-07-15T10:52:33.059-07:00Dear Jordan:
If you go to my blog, I have posted ...Dear Jordan:<br /><br />If you go to my blog, I have posted something Mark Gaither posted on Shepherd's Fellowship that may help explain the question you asked above/here: "So I'll throw out a more specific one that Dr. Sparks used, Matthew 5:31-32:<br />"It has been said, 'Anyone who divorces his wife must give her a certificate of divorce.' But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, causes her to become an adulteress, and anyone who marries the divorced woman commits adultery."<br /><br />So what is Jesus doing there? Is he adding to the OT? clarifying? "redeeming"? contradicting?"<br /> <br /><br />I ask you to go to my blog because I do not want to go off topic, out of respect to Dan.<br /><br />Mark has given me permission, in the past, to use his writings. I would absolutely not do this without his permission.Mary Elizabeth Tylerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08915438088186414796noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-72664124144219281962010-07-15T10:47:45.680-07:002010-07-15T10:47:45.680-07:00Rob: "best" meaning what exactly? Best i...Rob: "best" meaning what exactly? Best in light of modern society where we want to divorce and remarry? Best in light of supports my way of thinking best? Or best as in the most verifiably authentic/original manuscripts?<br /><br />Just curiousJacobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17084189036334133951noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-55322957373309727602010-07-15T10:43:57.516-07:002010-07-15T10:43:57.516-07:00Jordan: did you read my entire post? Did it strike...Jordan: did you read my entire post? Did it strike you as being a post devoted to the enumeration and discussion of errors, or of alleged errors, or of interpretive issues, in the Bible?<br /><br />Hint: the title.DJPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16471042180904855578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-28418566917528078042010-07-15T10:43:45.217-07:002010-07-15T10:43:45.217-07:00Excellent post DJP.Excellent post DJP.Jacobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17084189036334133951noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-23187944240968106672010-07-15T10:37:43.025-07:002010-07-15T10:37:43.025-07:00Jordan,
In the best manuscripts, Matthew 5:31-32 d...Jordan,<br />In the best manuscripts, Matthew 5:31-32 do not exist.Rob Baileyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10893938431904825170noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21212024.post-18859722817128479222010-07-15T10:07:33.457-07:002010-07-15T10:07:33.457-07:00John,
Right, but it seems like that could be said ...John,<br />Right, but it seems like that could be said of a lot of things God does through the Holy Spirit. I'm just wondering where exactly the qualitative difference is. I guess maybe you would take the Bible to be static in it's inerrancy, leaving no need for the Holy Spirit to work in bringing revelation from it? Is that too strong of a statement?Jordanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17992760922343915366noreply@blogger.com