06 February 2015

Some Here, Some There — February 6, 2015

by Dan Phillips

This will be one of those "start small but mighty" Fridays. Check back after noon, TX time.
  • The best part of Justin Taylor's post on the days of Genesis continues to be the response-pieces. Mark Snoeberger of DBTS offers a detailed (and very good) response to the propping up of old-earthism by Justin Taylor that we noted last week. Really enjoy his style. Refreshing contrast.
  • (One of Mark's commenters opined that the post was thoughtful, careful, and respectful. What a terrible thing to say. Don't let that stop you from reading it.)
  • Plus: As I've often remarked, when Doug Wilson is good, none is better. As he is when he weighs in on the days of creation. Many thinkables and quotables.
  • I wonders: did TGC block 9Marks after this tweet?

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Robert said...

Really enjoying Snoeberger's work more each time I read his writing. He is concise, yet fairly comprehensive.

That article by Jean Loyd was quite touching. If only people tried to remember what it was like being a teenager and how much we learn just by being allowed to work things out in life. It is good to deal with pain and struggle...that is what builds character (that's even Biblical!).

The Matt Moore article was great, too. It is good to see Christians willing to open up and let people see their struggles so as to offer encouragement. This shouldn't be limited to same-sex attraction, either.

That article by Strachan does a good job of calling out these acts as cowardice and not bravery. And that was quite a stretch by that guy using the road to Emmaus and comparing that to his "epiphany".

AJM said...

Glad to see the Creation Account, Genesis etc getting the attention it deserves.
Great articles from Snoeberger, Wilson etc
I would like to suggest a little research by all about the possible results of affirming the "anything but recent creation, 24 hour day view of Genesis".
Charles Francis Potter former baptist minister, advisor to Clarence Darrow in Scopes trial, founder of Humanism. His book "Humanism: A New Religion" was printed in 1930.

Frank Turk said...

There's a woman marrying herself?

Who would have thought that this was where it was all going.

jbboren said...

Now that Justin Taylor has thrown 6-day creation under the bus, should we expect a leftward shift in Crossway books? Will the ESV be safe? Or will we end up with an 'ESV 2011' version?

Frank Turk said...

I am also edified by Dan's use of Doug Wilson.

Robert said...

Loved the Jindal response to Obama. Now that is funny.

Sharon said...

The xylophone player reminded me of this classic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fM3HdjhV1Xw

DJP said...

Okay Sharon, the second minute of that is about the scariest thing I've seen for a long, long time. And I don't just mean the bass player.

Anonymous said...

Many thanks for the link, brothers. (Check that goal off my 2015 list!)

The Session #5 post is up. The Session #6 post will go live at about 3pm CST.

Jim Pemberton said...

It's interesting to see that Montanism is alive and well. The problem with it that you so aptly pointed out is that it adds to the scriptures. Interestingly, in this vein, I've been told by liberal theologians that their take on what Scripture says should be taken seriously because "there are different views on what the Bible says". Given that the Bible doesn't mean multiple conflicting things at any point, I'm generally hesitant to accept a view that claims that the Bible means something other than what it appears to mean at first blush. It's not that clarification through reasoning from the cultural and linguistic context of the human author and original audience might not shed some light on things, but I tread carefully in those instances.

That said, Many OECists make the argument that the Bible allows for some reading other than what it appears to say because they believe that the science is pretty certain in the age of the universe. So they want to tweak the Bible to fit the science. Afraid of Galileo much? He doesn't apply in this case since the exegesis of the passage used against him was particularly bad. YECists insist that it's wise to investigate how certain the science actually is versus a sound exegesis of God's Revelation to us. So YECists would doubt the science based on sound exegesis of scripture. I did my studies in physics at UNC Charlotte and my studies in philosophy at CIU. (Neither are great stalwarts in those fields, but the education is still and better than what you might get at Chapel Hill these days apparently.) I can tell you that the science behind attempts to discover the age of the universe and the age of the earth (two different things, actually) have epistemological problems that the Scriptures don't have if we understand their divine origin. In fact, if we understand that the creation of the universe was a supernatural event, it necessarily defies attempts to investigate it using naturalistic means.

At that, I appreciate Doug Wilson's take on it. He has one or two areas where I would adjust his language, but I think his comments on the passages he references are pretty well done.

lee n. field said...

Looking at "Grace Pointe"'s website, specifically the pastor's recommended reading list, I get the impression it's a liberal megachurch or megachurch wannabe, not a conservative one.

Michael said...

The Jindal response is pandering and juvenile. Sure Obama has been hesitant to call it like it is ie. Islamic Terrorism. It's embarrassing more than anything.
But everything he said was accurate. Jindal picked his subject (medieval times)to singe not burn the president. Conservative professing Bible believing southern Christians were the religious backbone of American apartheid even in the 60s. The 1960s not the 1560s. America not Europe.

semijohn said...

The bass player in Sharon's referred video is pretty scary, but I think the bass player in the Del Tones is scarier, from the video DJP linked of Dickie Dale doing "Miserlou" some time back (maybe at Biblical Christianity).



semijohn said...

It's Dick Dale, sorry.

Lowell Van Ness said...

Oddly enough, it was also Bible believing southern Christians who were the backbone of the civil rights movement. Black ones, mind, but still. Also, apartheid? Seriously? The Afrikaners went to lengths that Orval Faubus and Ross Barnett could only dream of.
As to Jindal being juvenile--yeah, no. It might have been snarky and oversimplified, but "Kill them all, God knows His own" stopped really being a thing church leaders backed sometime around the 1600s. At the moment, we're dealing with Islamic extremism, extremism backed unambiguously by their religion. Dredging up the Crusades and Inquisition is not helpful.

Michael said...

Well, there's a distinction between Conservatives and other mainline and black churches. It was those liberals and let's all getalong types that supported that movement.
Obama made his comments at a "prayer meeting". Not in the war room.
Apartheid means separation through legislation. Legislation the oppressed group has no ability to shape.
But I agree that we must deal with now now. Islamic Terror must be crushed and there isn't just one solution to this problem.

AJM said...

Lets agree only for the sake of conversation that what you say about " conservative ... christians" is true and to the extent you say.
At least that group had within its belief system the remedy. Martin Luther King Jr reminded that group of our common faith, the principles of our government, a need for a Savior that knew no color.
He reminded that group that he was their brother so should not be treated as "less than".

Michael said...

I agree with what AJM says for the sake of any conversation anywhere at anytime.

Anonymous said...

Saw Kevin DeYoung's post, and I totally agree with you on the meta. I don't know that there are any good answers to the comments dilemma. Either you have an open meta, which leaves a fair chance the discussion will go to Hades, or you actively police the meta, and likely have some very insightful commenters leave. The other problem with policing the meta is the blog author needs plenty of free time on his hands, and a pastor of DeYoung's caliber likely has little enough free time as it is. In any event, I would have loved to have deleted "A. Amos Love" posts and replace them with the "Note from God" Team Pyro article.

DJP said...

Exactly, you caught the dilemma.

Larry Geiger said...

Loved the kid on the xylophone. I couldn't find a better one of Brian with Flight of the Bumblebee:

Thanks. Good stuff.