ou know, at Phil's house, there are no turkey leftovers after Thanksgiving—but the rest of us have bird for days and days after the big binge, depending on how well (or poorly) we planned.In my house this year, we literally had a whole extra bird. ugh.
Anyway, I bring it up because "the religion of demons" is apparently the only very important issue regarding the "Free Grace" position which Phil did not strip to the carcass, food-process, make into a salad rich in Mayo, bake with crackers and veggies, and then boil into a lovely soup. And, as is my career at my house, I get the leftovers. I'm Dad.Jodie (H.K.Flynn) is afraid that I think I'm on shakey ground on the topic of the religion of demons over at DebateBlog—which would be my motivation for not linking the current exchange either at my blog or at TeamPyro.
Yeah, I'm sure that's it. She has just put up her second of 10 questions. Go see for yourself.
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Shameless
For the sake of disclosure, Jodie made the following part of her first answer:
I’d feel even more welcome if you’d put a blurb about our debate on one of your blogs. (Unless you’re not too sure of your purchase on this one.)
So, there you go.
BTW, Moorhead, when do we have to start calling you "Dr. Moorhead"?
That link to Biblegateway...Priceless! Let the Bible refute their position all by itself.
As far as I am concerned, you just won. She should now throw up the white hankee.
Who'd want to swallow a white hankie?
Mark,
Your comment betrays that you are only reading Frank's side of the debate.
Come on Pyromaniacs, at least read my opening statement.
And Frank, are you telling me that 400 comment frisbee fest was a sober defense of Phil's position?
There's a difference between wordy and thorough. As all the closed comments posts testify.
Frank, thanks for asking. Lord willing, I will finish the dissertation (on William E. Blackstone) by early Fall 2007 (hopefully earlier).
I just want to call you "Dr. Moorehead". it sound so spooky.
Especially if you use a Transylvanian accent.
Jodie:
When you finally get to the matter of what the "religion of demons" means in James, you won't have any questions left. For the record, I knew that if I gave you more words and more questions, you'd wind up not getting to the point a lot slower than in the normal 5Q format.
If you even get to the original issue by Q7, I'll be stunned.
Just to see how people are doing with the new link: who thinks Jodie answered the question regarding "that faith" with any kind of persuasiveness? That is, who thinks their mind might be changed by that argument?
While trying to be unbiased, I have to say that I did not understand at all what Jodie meant in her definition of a dead faith as per her position. When she said (I think) that there is a kind of faith that is dead, did she then mean to say that this sort of faith could still save?
(Okay, if Jodie is actually reading this she/you can insert "you's" into every third person reference:p)
I have read the statements of Zane Hodges a while back, and was totally uninspired and confused. I feel the same here.
I need to read through James' Epistle a couple times. And then come back.
Dr. Moorhead IS spooky.... Doc Martens would be just cool.
I just wanted to note that I deleted Antonios rant on the Greek issue in James because Antonio refuses to debate any issues regarding his position is a way which requires his to answer questions directly and succinctly. Phil's direction about such a things, I think, was clear, and when this happens, it's going to get action.
However, to escape the "you can't handle the truth" accusation, I have copied and pasted Antonio's words and will repost them over at my blog with a response. I'm sure that his grasp of the Greek is at least as poor as my own -- it is hard to imagine anyone with a poorer grasp of Greek than me.
When there's a link, I'll put it here.
The King James Bible certainly does not say 'that faith.'
The King James Bible certainly has a number of renderings that could (and should) be improved.
Oh, yes, I am the great (betrayer),Oooh,Oooh...
Actually, Jodie, I'd prefer it if you'd get to the point in your answers. Frank makes his point in very few words, making him much easier to understand, and much more pleasant to read.
BTW, his look at the five translations pretty much destroyed your whole position because we were enabled to see from the Bible itself that your views CANNOT be arrived at from a plain reading of scripture, let alone sustained.
The "religion of demons"
Demons' faith is worthless because it involves no repentance. Despite their faith in God they hate God and reject Him.
Also Jesus did not die for the sins of demons or live a perfect life on their behalf.
My response is here, listing Antonio's post at TeamPyro, and I've also given what I'd call the "textbook answer" here.
Enjoy.
Frank, I love it! The gloves are off now. Their tactics are to use many words (read: fluff and smoke), put downs of the other side ("ludicrous"),and taunts ("ready to throw up the white hankie, again"..."Put a blurb out on the other blogs, unless you're not too sure of your purchase on this one"), and what the word or phrase may mean in another, unrelated portion of scripture. What non-sense! That stuff only works in the eyes of some of the readers desperately looking for any, any stick to hit a L/S Calvinist (read: biblicist)over the head with.
Keep up the good work. I'm praying for you.
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